Murders at White House Farm by Carol Ann Lee.

[Caroline]

What happened to Happy Families and Tiddlywinks ?

They're more likely to turn someone into a serial killer! 

[guest1199]

Hi there again Y'all

I've read this book once, however I'm in the process of reading it again on my kindle, taking notes etc. I though it might be a good idea to run my considerations past the experts here prior to posting a review on Amazon. One thing that strikes me as curious is the fact that with regard to Sheila's neck wounds, one is described as being smaller than the other "The upper wound, was smaller with firearm residue and slight bruising. The bullet had gone upwards throught the hard palate of her mouth and skull to embed itself in the upper part of the brain".  I'm just wondering how one wound would be smaller than the other when both were described as "very loose contact wounds" both allegedly being from the same gun and the same ammunition used.  Curiously enough the photograph of Sheila's wounds seem to indicate that it is the upper wound that appears the larger of the two, not the other way around as Lee describes it. 

Anyway, your considerations are most welcome.

Hoots!

[guest2181]

Hi there again Y'all

I've read this book once, however I'm in the process of reading it again on my kindle, taking notes etc. I though it might be a good idea to run my considerations past the experts here prior to posting a review on Amazon. One thing that strikes me as curious is the fact that with regard to Sheila's neck wounds, one is described as being smaller than the other "The upper wound, was smaller with firearm residue and slight bruising. The bullet had gone upwards throught the hard palate of her mouth and skull to embed itself in the upper part of the brain".  I'm just wondering how one wound would be smaller than the other when both were described as "very loose contact wounds" both allegedly being from the same gun and the same ammunition used.  Curiously enough the photograph of Sheila's wounds seem to indicate that it is the upper wound that appears the larger of the two, not the other way around as Lee describes it. 

Anyway, your considerations are most welcome.

Hoots!

If you read through the post mortem reports for all the victims, the bullet wounds vary in size, the location that they impact seems to be a factor, I.e. through hard muscular tissue or through soft flesh.
 

[guest2181]

See here for more:
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,988.msg29919.html#msg29919

[guest1199]

Excellent! Thank you indeed!

Hoots!

[JackiePreece]

There are myths aplenty circulating this board, the wet suit being just one. I don't recall that there were any of Sheila's footprints either. Jeremy had spent time, from his call to the police to the hours he spent outside with them, educating them in the belief that, if they found them all dead, Sheila would more than likely be responsible.

We've all been made aware that police DO lie. It's become a convenient bandwagon to ride for those  who are anti establishment and/or bear grudges against them but it doesn't mean that ALL police lie.

Jane why do you keep reminding us you know the area well.
We all get it by now.
Maybe if the police or the authorities released file 1 everyone would get a clearer picture of what happened the night of the murders
How long would you say Jeremy spent persuading a bunch of police officers Sheila was responsible for the murders
Or would you say it was a few remarks about Sheila's mental health
Would you not say Jeremy should not have mentioned Sheila's mental health problems in the circumstances
You do not seem to accept the monumental police blunders in this case
Do you not accept that the silencer evidence was dodgy to say the least?
Who do you think planted the silencer?
Do you accept it could have been someone local or someone other than Jeremy who had access to the farm house

I would appreciate answers to my individual questions

[JackiePreece]

There are myths aplenty circulating this board, the wet suit being just one. I don't recall that there were any of Sheila's footprints either. Jeremy had spent time, from his call to the police to the hours he spent outside with them, educating them in the belief that, if they found them all dead, Sheila would more than likely be responsible.

We've all been made aware that police DO lie. It's become a convenient bandwagon to ride for those  who are anti establishment and/or bear grudges against them but it doesn't mean that ALL police lie.

What are your thoughts on police accepting gifts when 'solving' crimes
Or police accepting job offers after 'solving' crimes or police editing statements

[JackiePreece]

But could that same child, who had no pre interest in guns, reload and fit the magazine onto it?

Jane j you are fully aware of the answer
This has been pointed out to you on numerous occasions
As you know Ngb is very knowledgable in guns and would never support JB if he thought Sheila could not reload the gun

[JackiePreece]

As for footprints, I wonder if the police looked at his footwear afterwards when they arrested him? I mean sure he could have worn others and discarded them but many folk who knew him would have known what footwear he wore either at work or Play, were these ever tested for blood?

And if and I do say IF JB is to be believed he had a phone call stating that his sister had gone mad (that and the fact she was seriously mentally ill) so his words "educating" the police outside were absolutely not with out good reason

Very good point scales, I wonder why Mugford wouldn't have mentioned the shoes/boots Jeremy was wearing that night?

[JackiePreece]

The Prosecution argument was that it was Bambers intention to use as the "getaway" vehicle.

LOL

[JackiePreece]

I agree about the wet suit, it's a silly theory.

None of the victims left footprints either.

Of course there have been genuine MOJ  and police have lied. They have probably lied during this investigation but not about Jeremy being guilty.

There you go again
You do NOT know JB is guilty

[JackiePreece]

Given her opinions of Jeremy, it wasn't about Sheila.

What opinions?

[JackiePreece]

Hi Maggie I agree if he phoned anyone it would have been 999

Nothing in Sheila's past showed she would ever have actually shot anyone
All through Sheila's illness she was surrounded by guns at WHF
No way would Neville have guessed the tragedy that unfolded that night

[JackiePreece]

Why would they have looked for injuries on Jeremy? He's told them Sheila was the culprit. He was standing outside with the police.

Whilst every case involving the mentally ill may have similarities, the psychological uniqueness of each makes them ENTIRELY different.

It's highly likely that the burn marks had nothing to do with the crime since no one has given an adequate reason for how they could have occurred.

It's possible to make much of what's in the bible relate to whatever one wants to relate it to, which was probably how June used it.

At no point in Mugfords numerous statements did Mugford EVER mention Jeremy had any injuries
Not even a bruise

[JackiePreece]

I was reading a case toady of a 28 year old woman with mental health issues that burned down her fathers house while he was in it.

You say NB did not tackle shelia upstairs why did he not tackle Jeremy then?

I don't recall bamber having any injuries either afterwards.

NB injuries could just as well have been dashed out afterwards, also that unexplained burn mark on his back, that was quite possibly some sort of ritual post mortem torture.

I also think that if the family was asleep they would have been awake VERY quickly once the shooting began.

Lastly that bible, I mean that speaks volumns, her Psychiatric doctor even said that had he read that at the time in would have changed his mind as to her mind, I mean Bamber would have to have been truly brilliant assassin to think of these things and avoid all these potential pitfalls.

As I say I don't know if he is guilty and I don't feel good besmirching the dead but having read the book its hard to know where the truth really lays.

Scales Jeremy is not very bright
I think he would admit that himself