Author Topic: Key Evidence which was Kept from Jeremy Bamber, his Legal team, and the court  (Read 7544 times)

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Offline Caroline

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I knew there was more to this than met the eye.

Except that once again, there is no supporting official documentation. Seems like Sheila's prints on the shot gun might be another myth.
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Except that once again, there is no supporting official documentation. Seems like Sheila's prints on the shot gun might be another myth.


Yeh!! Just like the claim that Big Ears was a paedophile who groomed poor Noddy. THERE'S NO OFFICIAL DOCUMENTATION!!!!!....................but it makes a damn good story for those who want to believe it.

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Scott Lomax writes 'during their investigations the police examined the murder weapon, the Anchultz rifle, but they also examined the numerous other firearms in the building. A twelve bore shotgun revealed findings of interest to the defence, which could have assisted them at trial if they had been aware of the relevant information.  Quite simply the shotgun had Sheila Caffell's fingerprints upon it.'
I am not sure if Wilkes alao mentions this and have leant the book to someone so cannot check at the moment.  It would be interesting to email Scott Lomax and ask him if he saw any documentation which upholds this claim?

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Scott Lomax writes 'during their investigations the police examined the murder weapon, the Anchultz rifle, but they also examined the numerous other firearms in the building. A twelve bore shotgun revealed findings of interest to the defence, which could have assisted them at trial if they had been aware of the relevant information.  Quite simply the shotgun had Sheila Caffell's fingerprints upon it.'
I am not sure if Wilkes alao mentions this and have leant the book to someone so cannot check at the moment. It would be interesting to email Scott Lomax and ask him if he saw any documentation which upholds this claim?

Done!
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Done!
Good, was going to do it, you beat me to it but that doesn't matter as the answer is the important thing.  I know Scott Lomax wrote his book much later than Wilkes and had access to many more documents which had come into the public arena by then. We shall see!!

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Good, was going to do it, you beat me to it but that doesn't matter as the answer is the important thing.  I know Scott Lomax wrote his book much later than Wilkes and had access to many more documents which had come into the public arena by then. We shall see!!

The claim APPEARS to be that the defense learned after the trial that the 12 bore had Sheila's prints on it.  So one would assume his source for the claim was someone involved with the defense.
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Both Sheila's and Neville's fingerprints were found on the shotgun.

This could be " the gun " in which Neville referred to in his phone-call to Jeremy." Sheila has one of my guns " ( shotgun ) as opposed to " my rifle ".

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Both Sheila's and Neville's fingerprints were found on the shotgun.

This could be " the gun " in which Neville referred to in his phone-call to Jeremy." Sheila has one of my guns " ( shotgun ) as opposed to " my rifle ".


All my friends use the generic "GUN." They don't load a "rifle" and they don't keep firearms in a "rifle" cupboard, and those who attend Shoots are referred to as "guns."

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Something odd is that the most important part of the Dickinson report is missing.  No doubt it is part the defense went over very carefully so might not have provided at the time as the rest but still by this point it should have been able to have been obtianed.  The section on the re-investigation isn't here.

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All my friends use the generic "GUN." They don't load a "rifle" and they don't keep firearms in a "rifle" cupboard, and those who attend Shoots are referred to as "guns."




Neville may have been making comparisons.

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Both Sheila's and Neville's fingerprints were found on the shotgun.

This could be " the gun " in which Neville referred to in his phone-call to Jeremy." Sheila has one of my guns " ( shotgun ) as opposed to " my rifle ".

Sheila clearly had no gun. There was no evidence she loaded a gun or fired one period let alone shot any of the victims, nor any evidence she beat Nevill and it was impossible for her to have shot herself, someone had to have done it.   
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Neville may have been making comparisons.





Plus he may have rescued it from her,hence both prints.I also think his prints were on the rifle too as the prints of " an unknown male " if he was trying to wrestle that from her too.
I reckon that the short respite between Neville having taken the shotgun from Sheila would have been the chance that Neville had to phone Jeremy- " has one of my guns ".

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Under the heading " this shotgun was normally kept loaded under ralph bambers bed ",you'll find a set of questions asked of PE about the shotgun ( which had both prints of father and daughter as well as red paint on its barrel ) where he'd put it back into its case,contaminated as it was,and took it home.

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Something odd is that the most important part of the Dickinson report is missing.  No doubt it is part the defense went over very carefully so might not have provided at the time as the rest but still by this point it should have been able to have been obtianed.  The section on the re-investigation isn't here.

The Dickinson Report was posted by me, I forget where it came from now, it may have been the old 'Sleuthing for Justice' forum. Only paragraphs up to 304 were posted.

I later found some more pages, but as you say, there is a gap for the re-investigation and the trial that I haven't been able to source.

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The Dickinson Report was posted by me, I forget where it came from now, it may have been the old 'Sleuthing for Justice' forum. Only paragraphs up to 304 were posted.

I later found some more pages, but as you say, there is a gap for the re-investigation and the trial that I haven't been able to source.

If one is a conspiracy theorist then they might suggest the re-investigation section was intentionally missing because it contains harmful information to the defense.

The less sinister explanation is the one I mentioned, the defense was busy combing over the section so failed to provide it to the people who posted the rest of it.

At this point though the defense counsel should be done with it so that the re-investigation section could be scanned and posted by someone with access to the defense documents such as Mike.
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