the gunshot resdue mystory.

[Adam]

Brian Elliott it talking about the handing and loading of the bullets not gunshot residue.

Gunfire residue has nothing to do with handling and loading bullet cases.

I think it's pretty clear that Hartley is retarded.

Moderators can you take control of the thread. David is calling another poster 'retarded'.

[guest2181]

I've just been reading through this topic again. It seems people are getting the impression this effects the case as to who killed the family. It don't. As NugNug first wrote we should expect gunshot residue on Sheila regardless of murder or suicide.

A while back I came across this post by NBG.

This prompted me to dig a little deeper on the issue. I believe I found a rather logical answer via researching the topic. Its no longer a mystery in my opinion based on the evidence I have assembled. I posted my findings on this over a year ago. It does not answer the question of murder or suicide its just a neutral anomaly. No point having a frenzy over it.

Nobody's in a frenzy David.

Your original post had the caveat that you weren't sure if the ammunition used was as described in your clippings.

You've then today stated that Remington and Eley ammunition are one and the same, which as I've pointed out is simply not true.
The information you posted related to ammunition which was not used in the murders.

Your findings and information does not relate to this scenario. You can insist that it does and repeat that as many times as you like, it doesn't change the facts.

[Adam]

We know that Eley Hollow Point ammunition was used, and we know that Eley developed a different type of bullet primer by at least 1981.

We also know that a scientific expert indicated the following:

Mrs Caffell's nightdress was bloodstained. When tested the blood was consistent with being her own blood. The garment was also examined for the presence of any firearm discharge residues or oil from the rifle. No such traces were found. The scientist gave evidence that there would be a strong chance of finding such residues or markings on the clothing of an individual who had fired a rifle twenty-five times.

No amount of magazine clippings is going to change that, particularly when you decide post information about a type of bullet that was not used.

Likewise, a bow and arrow is unlikely to leave GSR. Just sayin' 

Yes there is a mountain of forensic crime scene evidence that shows Sheila was not the killer. Which is why I created the library.

Lookout kept asking what else there was apart from the silencer & Nugs kept suggesting the only forensic evidence against Bamber was the silencer.

[lookout]

I've just been reading through this topic again. It seems people are getting the impression this effects the case as to who killed the family. It don't. As NugNug first wrote we should expect gunshot residue on Sheila regardless of murder or suicide.

A while back I came across this post by NBG.

This prompted me to dig a little deeper on the issue. I believe I found a rather logical answer via researching the topic. Its no longer a mystery in my opinion based on the evidence I have assembled. I posted my findings on this over a year ago. It does not answer the question of murder or suicide its just a neutral anomaly. No point having a frenzy over it.

The most straightforward answer would be that it wasn't the rifle that was shown which was used.

[Adam]

The most straightforward answer would be that it wasn't the rifle that was shown which was used.

So the crime scene was staged ?

[lookout]

So the crime scene was staged ?

Not necessarily.

[Adam]

Not necessarily.

You said the rifle in the picture was not the one used in the massacre. Which is a new suggestion.

[lookout]

You said the rifle in the picture was not the one used in the massacre. Which is a new suggestion.

In that respect,yes. I thought you meant the actual shootings.
What bothers me is that so little has been mentioned of the broken rifle and the damaged silencer,apart from the fact that neither parent was tested for GSR.

[Caroline]

The most straightforward answer would be that it wasn't the rifle that was shown which was used.

Except forensic science (even then) was equipped well enough to distinguish if the bullets were shot from the rifle found at the scene.

[lookout]

Except forensic science (even then) was equipped well enough to distinguish if the bullets were shot from the rifle found at the scene.

Their word against that of others. That rifle had been placed onto Sheila for photographic purposes only and not because it was the murder weapon. Something phony about it.

[Caroline]

Their word against that of others. That rifle had been placed onto Sheila for photographic purposes only and not because it was the murder weapon. Something phony about it.

Of course there is something phoney about it - JEREMY STAGED THE SCENE!! 

[lookout]

There appeared to have been more blood on the " piece " of broken rifle,and possibly on the rest of it than appeared on the one which had been placed on Sheila.
I've never been happy about which rifle was actually used in the murders as apparently for the enormity of the situation and the amount of blood which was evident,that rifle had appeared comparatively clean and free from any blood. No blood had been reported on it. 

[Caroline]

There appeared to have been more blood on the " piece " of broken rifle,and possibly on the rest of it than appeared on the one which had been placed on Sheila.
I've never been happy about which rifle was actually used in the murders as apparently for the enormity of the situation and the amount of blood which was evident,that rifle had appeared comparatively clean and free from any blood. No blood had been reported on it.

Eh?

[lookout]

Eh?

Don't you understand it ?

[Caroline]

Don't you understand it ?

No, I don't because once again, you haven't backed up your point.