the gunshot resdue mystory.

[guest2181]

The dog handler offered to direct the firearms team to WHF, that's the only reason he was there Adam.
 Read Adams Colp notes, it will not let me copy for some reason.

I can't copy it either. 

It's on the first page here:
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,189.0.html

[Jaycad73]

I think too much has been made of the 'ritualistic cleansing' theory offered by some 'experts' who have appeared on documentaries or used as sources in books on this case, surely if Sheila's mind was working that way after the shootings then she would have chosen a symbolic place to actually commit suicide-for example, the twins room? The choice of a nightdress is, in my opinion, an odd thing to choose to wear if in this symbolic mindset, unless she chose to shoot herself whilst lying on a bed. The idea that she soaked her knickers for any other reason than to rid them of menstrual blood is, in my view, clutching at straws!
Sheila either committed the murders and escaped being covered in gun residue/victims blood etc. or she was murdered with the rest of the family IMO.

[David1819]

There should be gunshot resdue on sheilas dress weather she shot herself or if jeremy or somone shot her so why isnt there.

I have covered this before.

Propellants used in rimfire ammunition at the time did not contain the typical ingredients that GSR testing would pick up on.

I have found some interesting information from two forensic text books I have.

Here is part of page 208 of the book Forensic Science From the Crime Scene to the Crime Lab by RICHARD SAFERSTEIN, PH.D. Forensic Science Consultant, Mt. Laurel


However, hand swabbing or the application of an adhesive cannot be
used to detect firings of most .22-caliber rim-fire ammunition. Such ammunition’s
primer may contain only barium or neither barium nor antimony


Here is an extract of page 101 of Current methods in forensic gunshot residue analysis by
A. J. Schwoeble and David L. Exline forensic scientists at RJ Lee Group


The manufactures of Remington rimfire ammunition is ELEY LTD

[lookout]

I think too much has been made of the 'ritualistic cleansing' theory offered by some 'experts' who have appeared on documentaries or used as sources in books on this case, surely if Sheila's mind was working that way after the shootings then she would have chosen a symbolic place to actually commit suicide-for example, the twins room? The choice of a nightdress is, in my opinion, an odd thing to choose to wear if in this symbolic mindset, unless she chose to shoot herself whilst lying on a bed. The idea that she soaked her knickers for any other reason than to rid them of menstrual blood is, in my view, clutching at straws!
Sheila either committed the murders and escaped being covered in gun residue/victims blood etc. or she was murdered with the rest of the family IMO.

I would have said that a shooter would have less,if any,signs of them having shot x amount of people anyway,than those who'd been shot-----------for obvious reasons.

[guest7363]

I would have said that a shooter would have less,if any,signs of them having shot x amount of people anyway,than those who'd been shot-----------for obvious reasons.

Thats quite feasible Lookout, but don't forget they were close contact shots, would the shooter be bothered about reside or blood splatter? Only if they had a motive?

[Jaycad73]

I would have said that a shooter would have less,if any,signs of them having shot x amount of people anyway,than those who'd been shot-----------for obvious reasons.

Yes, I'd agree with that unless the alleged struggle with Nevill happened. David provides some interesting info regarding gun residue in an earlier post.

[lookout]

Not sure why a dog was apparently at WHF that night. But Bamber had showered and changed anyway.

The dog was trained in sniffing out gun residue,but showed no interest in Jeremy when it was outside in his company.

[Caroline]

The dog was trained in sniffing out gun residue,but showed no interest in Jeremy when it was outside in his company.

Again Lookout - where is your evidence for this?

[guest7363]

The dog was trained in sniffing out gun residue,but showed no interest in Jeremy when it was outside in his company.

He doesn't say so in his statement

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5036.msg215596.html#msg215596

[Caroline]

He doesn't say so in his statement

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5036.msg215596.html#msg215596

There are various roles that police dogs undertake, they don't train one to do the lot, unless Lookout has some document to refer to?

[lookout]

Thats quite feasible Lookout, but don't forget they were close contact shots, would the shooter be bothered about reside or blood splatter? Only if they had a motive?

I very much doubt that the shooter would have been bothered about anything at the time,Justice,least of all residue or blood spatter or even being blamed.

[Caroline]

I very much doubt that the shooter would have been bothered about anything at the time,Justice,least of all residue or blood spatter or even being blamed.

And yet Sheila managed to escape getting any of the victims blood or gun residue on her nightdress? Oh I forgot, she changed her clothes - what did she do with them?

[lookout]

He doesn't say so in his statement

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5036.msg215596.html#msg215596

I'd definitely read somewhere that the dog had been trained in sniffing out gunpowder.
There'd have been no other reason for using a dog so far as I can see.

[guest7363]

There are various roles that police dogs undertake, they don't train one to do the lot, unless Lookout has some document to refer to?

I think the German Shepherd dog was used more for crowd control and to capture?  I always remember them walking up and down crowds waiting to go in football grounds, I don't think they were sniffing for firearm residue though?

[guest7363]

I'd definitely read somewhere that the dog had been trained in sniffing out gunpowder.
There'd have been no other reason for using a dog so far as I can see.

If you read the Adams Colp  statement Lookout, the dog handler offered to go and direct them to the scene, he wasn't called for, it was by chance he went?  That's how I read it anyway.