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Offline mike tesko

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The electrics " playing tricks " Mike.

Hi Lookout, being serious though, somebody turned those lights off, and somebody opened the top of the main bedroom window at the front of the farmhouse after Bews, Myall and Jeremy scampered back to the patrol car that Saxby was looking after near to the so called farm cottages in Pages Lane!  Somebody inside the main bedroom, on the same side of the glass where only moments or minutes before, Bews, Myall and Jeremy had seen a silhouetted figure stand to the right hand side of the window (from the vantage point of the two cops and Jeremy, before the figure moved hurriedly across the open window from right to left (as seen by them), and lo and behold the box room was in that general direction where the rifle appeared at around 7.15am, resting against that first floor window! Not only that but the rifle was eventually photographed (23) leaning against the very same part of the main bedroom window that the figure in the bedroom was originally stood at when seen by Bews, Myall and Jeremy! A photograph which was taken before cops moved the said rifle from the main bedroom window onto Sheila's body, and firearm officers claimed that they had found the five bodies 'insitu' in the same location and position the bodies of the victims were photographed in, untouched, unmoved, no disturbance, no staging of Sheila Caffells death to suggest that she had taken her own life!

I doubt believe it, not in a month of Sundays!

Police staged Sheila's death scene alright! It wasn't Jeremy who suggested that his sister had taken her own life, it was the manner with which the cops staged her body with the rifle from the window, in order to give the impression that she had taken her own life! And the worst thing about it all, was that by the time the case came to trial the prosecution was suggesting that Jeremy had staged his sister's body with the gun from one of the first floor windows! How the hell did he manage to that then after 8.10am, with only three bodies upstairs by that stage? N order for Jeremy Bamber to have murdered his sister on the bedroom floor and then stage her death scene there with use of the rifle from a first floor box room window was after 8.10am, when the body count upstairs altered to 4 from 3, and the change in the body count downstairs to 1 from 2!!!
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I do not believe that the police would have waited over three and a half hours before trying to enter the farmhouse if everybody inside was already dead before the arrival of Bews, Myall and Saxby at the scene at 3.48am! Dead victims can't threaten anybody, least of all fire a gun at the police! So, police aren't telling us the truth! Something far more sinister was keeping police from approaching the farmhouse and that someone was Sheila armed with a loaded rifle, and shotguns with ammunition a plenty!

Something caused CA5 to slow down.  CA7 also set up at roughly 200 yards from the farmhouse.  Then we have the three of them running back to CA7 from the recce.  Then we have Bews requesting armed response - which has already started its 40 mile round-trip to WHF before he has even requested it. 

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Thanks for the information, Hartley. I used quotation marks when referring to sash windows that open fully. As you can see, the lower part of each window in your photograph can be lifted only to a limited extent, as distinct from fully.

Whilst you did, it appears that a sliding sash window with equal upper and lower sashes can actually only be opened 50%, as opposed to "fully".

If your definition of "fully" related to the maximum opening of that particular type of window, then my example of an unequal sliding sash window can also be opened "fully".

Nevertheless, you have indeed corrected Mike on his erroneous use of the term "fan lite" or "Fan Light".

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Lights inside the farmhouse were being switched off and in some instances back n again! A window which had previously been closed had been opened! Dogs were barking outside and inside the farmhouse! The telephone which by 3.56am had been confirmed to have been left off the hook, mysteriously became 'engaged' for several minutes, before returning into its former state!  At 5.Stan firearm officers are understood to have been engaged in conversation with a person inside the farm! Police got no decipherable response from their challenges they kept making to the occupants of the farmhouse, except for what appeared to be barking, whining, and squealing, which some police officers believed to have been Sheila mimicking the dog! What cops don't say, which is of vital importance, is the constant calling to the occupants inside the farmhouse to show themselves, show the weapons at a window to prove that the occupants were prepared to end the seige peacefully! It was not until Sheila eventually put the anshuzt rifle on show close to the box room window at around 7.15am, that firearm officers took the decision to make a forceful entry at around 7.30am! At this time, the anshuzt rifle was in full view of officers carrying out containment and observation duties in the interests of safety for all concerned!!! At 7.37am, with the passing of the first message relayed from inside the kitchen, 'the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female in kitchen upon entry', the anshuzt rifle was still resting against the first floor box window! It was still resting there when at 7.38am, the following message was passed, 'one dead male, one dead female'! Even more telling that much later (at 8.10am, to be precise) when it was announced that only three bodies had been found upstairs, the said anshuzt rifle was still resting against that first floor box room window! What was it doing there, with Sheila downstairs in the kitchen with a solitary bullet wound to her neck? Cops called her as being dead in the kitchen, not once, but at least twice! But we now know that the first shot did not kill her! At this juncture, we have to ask ourselves how with Sheila's body shot once and presumed to be dead in the I then, was it possible for Sheila to be shot a second time with use of a rifle that since 7.15am, or thereabouts, had been, or was resting against a first floor box room window? That's not all because not only does it tax the mind to try and envisage how something so remarkable could possibly have happenned, we then have the additional problem f explaining how Sheila's body got displaced from the kitchen downstairs, to the main bedroom upstairs!!!

If any of this happenned it had to be in the knowlege of all the firearm officers inside the farmhouse!

Why then, do they pass information that by 8.10am there were only three bodies present upstairs!

How could the firearm officers who entered the farmhouse shortly after 7.30am, have only found one body downstairs upon entry to the kitchen, and only three bodies upstairs by 8.10am? Does this not suggest that one body was unaccounted for, downstairs, or upstairs, and that was because that body was Sheila, alive as you or I. She was shot downstairs in the kitchen not by use of the anshuzt rifle! This was before 8.10am! And she was shot upstairs on the main bedroom floor by the rifle that somebody had brought into the bedroom from the box room!

These are the true facts!!!
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Whilst you did, it appears that a sliding sash window with equal upper and lower sashes can actually only be opened 50%, as opposed to "fully".

If your definition of "fully" related to the maximum opening of that particular type of window, then my example of an unequal sliding sash window can also be opened "fully".

Nevertheless, you have indeed corrected Mike on his erroneous use of the term "fan lite" or "Fan Light".

Yet, a bedroom window which was closed when Bews, Myall and Jeremy did a recce' of the farmhouse, but open by the time the first group of firearm officers arrived about an hour later!
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Bedroom windows doubt open all by themselves between 4 and 5 am!!!
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It is a reasonable assumption to make, that the switching off of various lights inside the farmhouse, and the opening of the top sash bedroom window of the main bedroom, by one person or another, couple with the earlier sighting of a figure in the bedroom by Bews, Myall and Jeremy, that police suspected very strongly and with reasonable grounds for believing so, that someone was still alive inside the farmhouse long after the first police arrived at the scene by 3.48am!
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It is a reasonable assumption to make, that the switching off of various lights inside the farmhouse, and the opening of the top sash bedroom window of the main bedroom, by one person or another, couple with the earlier sighting of a figure in the bedroom by Bews, Myall and Jeremy, that police suspected very strongly and with reasonable grounds for believing so, that someone was still alive inside the farmhouse long after the first police arrived at the scene by 3.48am!
By a reliance on basic intelligence it also stands to reason that Sheila Caffell did not die on the main bedroom floor by way of a second shot inflicted beneath the chin, until after 8.44am! We know that Sheila was in the kitchen from as early as 7.37am, onward, and that she could not have been upstairs until after 8.10am! The fact that she ends up dead on the bedroom floor, with two bullet holes in her neck, not one, tells anybody with only a small modicum of intelligence that the second shot was inflicted once Sheila arrived in the main bedroom after 8.10am! We also know, that the anshuzt rifle was the weapon which fired the second of her two wounds to the neck! But, it sure as hell did not fire the first shot inflicted previously in the kitchen! So, how did Sheila get from the kitchen downstairs, to the main bedroom upstairs? Linked to this is how the anshuzt rifle got from the first floor box room window into Sheila's possession with her being unconscious and how did it manage to kill her without her knowing anything at all about it?

Essex police have yet to adequately explain how the anshuzt rifle at the first floor box room window, at around 7.15am, found its way onto Sheila Caffells body by 10am!!!
« Last Edit: January 23, 2017, 05:42:PM by mike tesko »
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The truth about the first shot having been fired from a different weapon other than the anshuzt rifle can be found in the ballistic records from the lab. D. Taylor and M Fletcher dealt with bullet 'PV/20', whereas, only M Fletcher dealt with bullet 'PV/19'...
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Who is D. Taylor?
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Who is D. Taylor?

Identifying who he is, will open up a can of worms regarding the switch over of the original pieces of the badly fragmented 'PV/20' bullet recovered by the pathologist, 'Peter' Venezis during the 7th August, 1985 autopsy, and it's growth into a whole bullet by the time the ballistic expert Malcom Fletcher received it on the 20th September, 1985!!!
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Identifying who he is, will open up a can of worms regarding the switch over of the original pieces of the badly fragmented 'PV/20' bullet recovered by the pathologist, 'Peter' Venezis during the 7th August, 1985 autopsy, and it's growth into a whole bullet by the time the ballistic expert Malcom Fletcher received it on the 20th September, 1985!!!

Please don't anyone try to insult my intelligence by claiming that the original piece of badly fragmented bullet did not get replaced by a test fired round, so that Fletcher could say that both of the bullets had been fired by the same anshuzt rifle - basically put, if anyone thinks this did not happen, please keep those thoughts to yourself!
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The general public should wake up! These people who pass themselves as being police officers are often the criminals! The prosecuting authorities are con men and con women, they have a license to tell deliberate lies without fear of ever being prosecuted!  You cannot trust the police, unless you yourself are corrupt! If you are a corrupt person, you will believe everything the police say whether it's true or not. I say 'wake up', don't be fooled by these professional criminals. Most of them cannot even tell the correct time! Most of them will say anything providing it fits in with their mindset at the time! Cops are not super human beings, but vile evil lying individuals that always duplicate whatever another cop might say he heard, or he saw, or whatever! Basically put, it's worse than the way the keystone cops are portrayed! Cops lie, and they lie for a reason, and that reason is they know that whatever lie they tell, the Magistrates, and the judiciary will bend over backwards to accommodate their dishonesty!

Cops are crooks!

You cannot always rely upon magistrates because cops are their heroes!

Crown court judges in the main, tend to believe everything a lying cop can throw at them!

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Look here! Take a good look at the way cops fabricate evidence and try to make it into good evidence! These are handwritten notes of PI 'Bob' Miller :-
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They lie, and fabricate evidence for eachother!!!
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