Why didn't Taff Jones tell Bamber & the relatives about Nevill's call ?

[Caroline]

I haven't got time to reply to either paragraph, both of which I am in disagreement with. I'll be back on when I get a chance. Probably tomorrow.

I thought you might be 

[Steve_uk]

'Chummy talk'?  Informing a caller that the incident he was calling in was already being dealt with by police, it hardly 'chummy talk'. It is remeasuring the caller that the police have things in hand and of course he would have mentioned it or at the VERY LEAST added it to the log he kept of the incident which had (supposedly) already been reported, not start  a new log. There was no call from Nevill - it's so blindingly obvious that I really am getting exasperated by the fact that people can't (or more likely) WON'T see it. It's incredulous!

Absolutely Caroline. Now which side of the argument is getting desperate..

[Reader]

Perhaps they themselves were not happy regarding how the calls were handled and the level of response?

If ACC Simpson for any reason instructed that Nevill's call was not to be disclosed, DCI Jones and D.Supt Ainsley would have had to accept that. The likely reason was that the police were reluctant to have to explain why Sheila's body appeared to have been staged. The option to conceal Nevill's call was open to the police because nobody happened to have mentioned Nevill's call to Jeremy at an early stage.

[Steve_uk]

But how were those two events linked?

[Caroline]

If ACC Simpson for any reason instructed that Nevill's call was not to be disclosed, DCI Jones and D.Supt Ainsley would have had to accept that. The likely reason was that the police were reluctant to have to explain why Sheila's body appeared to have been staged. The option to conceal Nevill's call was open to the police because nobody happened to have mentioned Nevill's call to Jeremy at an early stage.

I'm sorry, I don't get this at all. Of course they wouldn't have to accept it - would you? And the reason Sheila's body looked staged was because Jeremy staged it.

[Reader]

In the police, one is expected to follow instructions from a senior officer, especially a very senior officer. It wouldn't have made much any sense for Jeremy to leave an obviously staged scene of death for Sheila if he wanted her to be held responsible.

[David1819]

If ACC Simpson for any reason instructed that Nevill's call was not to be disclosed, DCI Jones and D.Supt Ainsley would have had to accept that. The likely reason was that the police were reluctant to have to explain why Sheila's body appeared to have been staged. The option to conceal Nevill's call was open to the police because nobody happened to have mentioned Nevill's call to Jeremy at an early stage.

In the police, one is expected to follow instructions from a senior officer, especially a very senior officer. It wouldn't have made much any sense for Jeremy to leave an obviously staged scene of death for Sheila if he wanted her to be held responsible.

Yes. Obeying the chain of command and taking orders from superiors (reflective of the paramilitaristic, hierarchical police structure) specially in that era.

[Caroline]

In the police, one is expected to follow instructions from a senior officer, especially a very senior officer. It wouldn't have made much any sense for Jeremy to leave an obviously staged scene of death for Sheila if he wanted her to be held responsible.

Bonnett was NOT in the police force! What is an obviously staged scene Reader? He didn't leave an 'obviously' staged scene in his mind, he left a scene which he THOUGHT depicted suicide and initially that's how it was taken. You're tying yourself in knots with this! You have to be suggesting that the police staged the scene in order to frame Jeremy? This gets worse!

[guest7363]

Bonnett was NOT in the police force! What is an obviously staged scene Reader? He didn't leave an 'obviously' staged scene in his mind, he left a scene which he THOUGHT depicted suicide and initially that's how it was taken. You're tying yourself in knots with this! You have to be suggesting that the police staged the scene in order to frame Jeremy? This gets worse!
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Like Steve said Desperate.

[Jane]

In the police, one is expected to follow instructions from a senior officer, especially a very senior officer. It wouldn't have made much any sense for Jeremy to leave an obviously staged scene of death for Sheila if he wanted her to be held responsible.

Right, so now we need to know just how many left the force, immediately after the investigation, because they refused to be part of such corruption. Perhaps we could obtain the band details of those who stayed to see what huge increases there were at that time. What we're being asked to swallow here, about a crime twisted out of all recognition -because they had a ready made culprit- is ridiculous beyond belief, and becomes more so with desperation.

[Stephanie]

Right, so now we need to know just how many left the force, immediately after the investigation, because they refused to be part of such corruption. Perhaps we could obtain the band details of those who stayed to see what huge increases there were at that time. What we're being asked to swallow here, about a crime twisted out of all recognition -because they had a ready made culprit- is ridiculous beyond belief, and becomes more so with desperation.

And so the desperation continues, even after a confession and suicide 

[Reader]

Bonnett was NOT in the police force! What is an obviously staged scene Reader?

I was referring to DCI Jones and D. Supt Ainsley. Bonnett was a civilian communications officer aged 41, so he wouldn't have wanted to wreck his career by alleging police corruption.

The position of Sheila's head, the position of the rifle and the position of the bible make the scene look staged. Jeremy couldn't have known that Sheila's death would be presented at the inquest as a straightforward suicide, with only one of Sheila's wounds highlighted.

[Caroline]

I was referring to DCI Jones and D. Supt Ainsley. Bonnett was a civilian communications officer aged 41, so he wouldn't have wanted to wreck his career by alleging police corruption.

The position of Sheila's head, the position of the rifle and the position of the bible make the scene look staged. Jeremy couldn't have known that Sheila's death would be presented at the inquest as a straightforward suicide, with only one of Sheila's wounds highlighted.

I'm sure Bonnett is happy for you to speak for him and to present him with no conscience. The notion that they ALL kept quiet about Nevill's is ridiculous. Of course people have to suggest 'they all must have lied' because otherwise they are left with 'no call'. Rather than ACC Simpson telling the relatives that Nevill called the police and they had proof of him having done so, he decides to either not tell them and get everyone to lie OR he bows to their request to sit on the information and gets everyone to lie? Are you seriously suggesting that this happened?

Of course it looks staged, Jeremy staged it - who else do you think staged it? I guess you think the police staged it (so early in the investigation), to make it look like Jeremy staged it? I think we should just cut out the middle man! Jeremy being a novice in the staging of a suicide, staged it which is why it looks staged. 

[Roch]

Posting at work so don't have time to respond properly but to be fair to Reader and other members not convinced of guilt - nobody is saying the the police staged Sheila Caffell's body to frame Jeremy.  No poster with a defence bias has ever claimed this in the history of the forum and none are now. 

[Caroline]

Posting at work so don't have time to respond properly but to be fair to Reader and other members not convinced of guilt - nobody is saying the the police staged Sheila Caffell's body to frame Jeremy.  No poster with a defence bias has ever claimed this in the history of the forum and none are now.

I have asked Reader to clarify, he/she didn't (sorry Reader, not sure if you are male or female?). Reader suggested that Jeremy wouldn't have left a body so obviously staged - so who would and why? Really not trying to be difficult and I am willing to take on board any suggestion as long as it's seems rational. Not knowing who Reader thinks staged the body makes this scenario confusing.