After He called police at 3.36am, Jeremy was put on hold immediately for 5 min's

[mike tesko]

The facts could not be any clearer, When Jeremy phoned Chelmsford police station at 3.36am, the time that PC West 'reveived the call' was clearly recorded in unambiguous terms, '3.36am'...

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[mike tesko]

Jeremy was placed on hold for 5 minutes, whilst PC West finished dealing with another (related matter). Therefore, it was not until around 3.40/ 3.41am, that Jeremy finally got to say anything at all to PC West, and at this time PC West made a record of the time he had received Jeremy's call 5 minutes earlier. Not only did PC West make a record of the time that I received Jeremy's call (3.36am), but he also selected the option to say he had received Jeremy's call at 3.36am, not that the call had been made to him by that stage!!!

At around 3.40 / 3.41am, Jeremy finally got to inform PC West, of the following...

[Stephanie]

Jeremy was placed on hold for 5 minutes, whilst PC West finished dealing with another (related matter). Therefore, it was not until around 3.40/ 3.41am, that Jeremy finally got to say anything at all to PC West, and at this time PC West made a record of the time he had received Jeremy's call 5 minutes earlier. Not only did PC West make a record of the time that I received Jeremy's call (3.36am), but he also selected the option to say he had received Jeremy's call at 3.36am, not that the call had been made to him by that stage!!!

At around 3.40 / 3.41am, Jeremy finally got to inform PC West, of the following...

Hi Mike,

It has been showed Jeremy called PC West at 3.26am and that PC West made a mistake in the log

I am notsure if you are aware you have also contradicted your previous posts on this point?

Anyway, Buddy has publicly admitted he was hoodwinked

There are no photos of Sheila on the bed

All the conspiracy theories have been proven to be conspiracy theories and nothing more

I'm notsure why you keep going round and round with this

Everyone on the board is in agreement apart from you

[lookout]

Why does anyone keep going " round and round ?"

[mike tesko]

Hi Mike,

It has been showed Jeremy called PC West at 3.26am and that PC West made a mistake in the log No, unfortunately, it hasn't been showed or proven by anybody that Jeremy's call to PC West got made any sooner than 3.36am. Scrutiny of the actual log, not only gives PC Wests timing of Jeremy's call, but he alsio selects the 'option' regarding when he had 'received the call'...


PC West did not just record the time he received the call from Jeremy, but he also selected the option of the time the call was received. It's all well and good anyone now suggesting at such a late stage that PC West got his time wrong, but in addition to this, he also chose the option of declaring in clear unambiguous terms, that he had received Jeremy's call at 3.36am. This is despite the fact, that during the trial, under cross examination by Rivlin QC, PC West conceded that he couldn't be sure of the actual time he had received Jeremy's call, albeit he did admit that it was his practice to always make a note of the time is received. Rivlin QC left the matter there feeling that he had made sufficient of the point. However, he could have gone a step further, and picked PC West up regarding the option he had chosen when recording the timing of Jeremy's call at 3.36am...

Buddy has publicly admitted he was hoodwinked it's none of my business who feels they have been hoodwinked. That's a personel matter...

There are no photos of Sheila on the bed Yes, there are, and 'prison security confiscated one of these'. In addition two cops who had seen Sheila's body on top of the bed before leaving the farmhouse to go with Jeremy to his cottage to take a witness statement (7th August 1985) told Ann Eaton that Sheila's body had been found on top of the bed, with a bible on her chest. Nobody could make up details like that. It was also reported in some newspaper reports of the day, that Sheila's body had been laid on the bed. I have seen the photographs with my own two eyes of Sheila on the bed. I say photographs because another one I have seen was taken to the CCRC by an informant and left with security there. Two photograph negatives are missing from a crucial stage in the SOCO investigation whilst DC Oakey (not to be confused with DC Oakley) and PC Bird took photographs of Sheila's body! Lets get the facts right, cops have removed DC Oakeys involvement at the scene on that first morning of the police investigation, because to concede his presence there, means they would have to disclose all the photographs they took of Sheila on top of the bed and on the floor before her body was staged by police as depicted by a series of photographs taken by PC Bird (26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, and 33). DC Oakey had taken photograph 25 according to PC Birds Crown Court testimony, and image 25 shows the barrel of the anshuzt rifle resting against the left side of Sheila's neck at that time! We also know, that prior to cops staging Sheila's death scene on the main bedroom floor as per PC Birds, photographs  (26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, and 33), and DC Oakeys photograph, (25), that 'Sheila's body must have been laid upon its right hand side' (as confirmed by Professor Herbert Leon MacDonnels report) in the 'recovery position' in order for the 'triangular blood stain which appears at the armpit and right hand shoulder of Sheila's light blue nightdress'. Now, the prosecution adduced no evidence to try and explain to the court, exactly how that triangular stain of blood had got there, nor given any indivcation as to how rivlets of blood were present upon her right forearm, and the top part of her right hand, and right wrist? In addition to this, no mention of how the bloodied fingermarks had got onto the front lower right hand side of her nightdress!!! So, everyone must surely know that if police had found Sheila's body like it has been presented by reference to PC Birds, and DC Oakeys presentation of photographs, that something is seriously wrong here. Why are cops saying Sheila's body was downstairs in the kitchen 7.34am to 810am, why are they saying her body was on the bed, and on the bedroom floor, why are cops saying that the only rifle found upstairs was resting against a first floor window, (from around 7.15am) and yet it to have been found and first photographed with Sheila's body after 10am? Why are photographic negatives missing? On and on, we could go, mentioning that contradiction, and this contradiction. Goddamit they even had to grow a badly fragmented bullet (PV/20) so that by the time their ballistic expert examined it, the damn bullet had grown whole again!!! lets not forget about the second silencer (DRB/1) which Ann Eaton did not hand over to a DC Oakley on the 11th September, 1985. Was it really just a coincidence that her brother telephoned the police that very same day (11th September 1985) to tell them that he had found the gun silencer? Worse still, that second silencer was not fingerprinted by DS Eastwood and DS Davidson until the 13th September 1985, and not sent to the lab' for its first time until the 20th September 1985!!! Astonishingly by that stage (20th September 1985) blood had already been found in the first silencer (SBJ/1, SJ/1, DB/1) which police had already submitted to the lab' on the 30th August 1985!!! More significantly, the blood found in the first silencer, had already been analysed and blood group results obtained at the lab (12th, 13th, 18th and 19th September, 1985), long before cops submitted Ann Eatons second silencer (DRB/1) to the lab' on the 20th September 1985!!! [ Worse still to come, this vile prosecutions case which people like yourself support, had the audacity and the cheek to say that the blood found inside the first silencer (SBJ/1, SJ/1, DB/1), had been found inside the second silencer (DRB/1) along with red paint from the kitchen aga, by the time the matter came to court (October, 1986). Now, you tell me how that is right and proper, and you tell me how any of this serves to prove that Jeremy Bamber killed his sister on the main bedroom floor, staging her death scene there with the rifle from a first floor window, after 8.10am? You explain to me in plain English what the fuck has been going on here, and what the fuck is going on here. I don't care if everyone in the world dislikes Jeremy Bamber, I don't care whether or not he's a psychopath, a puff, arrogant, and profoundly selfish - I know the difference between right and wrong, and I know when I hear the truth, or somebody is trying to pull the wool over my eyes. Cops, CPS, relatives and prosecution witness simply 'wanted him to be the killer' in the end. By early September 1985, Essex police were of a mindset to 'nail Bamber for these killings', and that is what they did. Everything in those days, is exactly like it is nowadays, an investigation is run by cops who are of a particular mindset. They get something in their heads which they believe to be truth, which might not necessarily by true, and they set out to gather evidence to support those beliefs. In August 1985, almost all the cops that really mattered were of a mindset that Sheila had killed the others, and then taken her own life. Whether they shot her or not, that was the mindset of the police for the first month, and so they set about gathering evidence to prove that stance. By mid September, their stance had changed, and so from that point onward they set out to gather evidence to help them prove that new stance. In so doing they either 'destroyed' or 'withheld any of the key information or evidence which they had gathered during the first part of their investigation proving or showing Sheila's culpability'.  But not all of it got destroyed, or was deliberately withheld. To me that is why so many inconsistencies, ambiguos and contradictory facts and features crop up in this case - The cops have merged the two separate investigations which adopted different approaches in the investigation of them, into the same investigation.../color]

All the conspiracy theories have been proven to be conspiracy theories and nothing more You don't honestly know what your talking about in this case...

I'm notsure why you keep going round and round with this I will decide what I do, I don't need advice, I can make up my own mind about things

[Jane]

The facts could not be any clearer, When Jeremy phoned Chelmsford police station at 3.36am, the time that PC West 'reveived the call' was clearly recorded in unambiguous terms, '3.36am'...

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He could have avoided that if he'd called 999

[Adam]

The facts could not be any clearer, When Jeremy phoned Chelmsford police station at 3.36am, the time that PC West 'reveived the call' was clearly recorded in unambiguous terms, '3.36am'...

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That is what I said two days ago Mike.

How could Bamber ring the police ar 3:36am if the call lasted 10 minutes, until 3:46am. And how could he ring Julie at 3:38am which the CT say he did ?

[lookout]

He could have avoided that if he'd called 999

Then again,their response mightn't have been any quicker,we don't know,as by the time police collect details over the phone,it was as broad as it was long during their time of arrival if there'd been a skeleton staffing arrangement,as I guess it would have been back then.

[mike tesko]

He could have avoided that if he'd called 999

If he had dialled 999, he could have only told them, what he told them. His call would have gone through a switchboard operator, who would in all liklihood have put Jeremy through to somebody like, for instance, 'PC West'...

This thread, is about the call which Jeremy did make. Everyone on both sides are in agreement that he made such a call. Only Rivlin QC has taken issue with what PC West says Jeremy spoke to him about, as per PC Wests witness statement account, which gives the time of the call as 3.26am. Well, for all anyone knows, the typist who typed out and prepared the statement might have 'typed the wrong digit', a '2' instead of a '3'. This possibility was never explored but to me if there is an innocent explanation in all of this, a mistake by the typist in recording the actual time of the call sits confortably with me, rather than it be suggested PC West himself recorded the time wrong by 10 minutes. As I say, he did not only record the time of Jeremy's call as 3.36am, but he also chose the option of declaring when he had received Jeremy's call, that two separate actions amounting to the same event - PC West received Jeremy's call at 3.36am, and he autheticated this by choosing the option on the same document to say that the recorded time of 3.36am, was the time he received Jeremy's call.

[Jane]

Then again,their response mightn't have been any quicker,we don't know,as by the time police collect details over the phone,it was as broad as it was long during their time of arrival if there'd been a skeleton staffing arrangement,as I guess it would have been back then.

Calling 999, unless the caller is a child in need of support, is understood to guarantee a much faster response that calling a local number...................but he never gave it a chance, did he?

[lookout]

There has been many a headline stating that 999 calls aren't always adhered to as being urgent.

[Jane]

If he had dialled 999, he could have only told them, what he told them. His call would have gone through a switchboard operator, who would in all liklihood have put Jeremy through to somebody like, for instance, 'PC West'...

This thread, is about the call which Jeremy did make. Everyone on both sides are in agreement that he made such a call. Only Rivlin QC has taken issue with what PC West says Jeremy spoke to him about as per PC Wests witnmess statement account which gives the time of the call as 3.26am. Well, for all anyone knows, the typist who typed out and prepared the stastement might have typed the wrong digit, a '2' instead of a '3'. This possibility was never explored but to me if there is an innocent explanation in all of this, a mistake by the typist in recording the actual time of the call sits confortably with me, rather than it be suggested PC West himself recorded the time wrong by 10 minutes. As I say, he did not only record the time of Jeremy's call as 3.36am, but he also chose the option of declaring when he had received Jeremy's call, that two separate actions amounting to the same event - PC West received Jeremy's call at 3.36am, and he autheticated this by choosing the option on the same document to say that the recorded time of 3.36am, was the time he received Jeremy's call.

Sorry Mike, that doesn't wash. 999 calls go through to a central system who direct the call to relevant emergency services. Vehicles may be dispatched whilst the caller is still on the line. No one is denying that Jeremy made a call. If he'd have called 999 it MAY have negated the necessity for this discussion.

[Jane]

There has been many a headline stating that 999 calls aren't always adhered to as being urgent.

That would have been in 1985, would it? They'd have diddled away time like Jeremy did when HE was allegedly informed that his sister had gone mad and got hold of a gun? IF such was universally true, Lookout, and not just headline grabbing, Daily Mail type copy, no one would ever use the 999 system.

[guest7363]

Sorry Mike, that doesn't wash. 999 calls go through to a central system who direct the call to relevant emergency services. Vehicles may be dispatched whilst the caller is still on the line. No one is denying that Jeremy made a call. If he'd have called 999 it MAY have negated the necessity for this discussion.

Not only that Jane, it would not take 10mins to look the number up.  Your right they usually say, an ambulance or police are on their way.

[lookout]

Calling 999, unless the caller is a child in need of support, is understood to guarantee a much faster response that calling a local number...................but he never gave it a chance, did he?

There's a heck of a difference in calls now,as so many are bogus,which emergency services have come to recognise,but in 1985,and ordinary call to the police under such circumstances as JB was in,would have sent cars just as quick as phoning 999.