Entrapment strategy of coercive control employed by Bamber over Julie Mugford

[Caroline]

After the murders, Julie said Jeremy had never spent money like it before and when he went to the bank to with drawer the wages he kept money back for himself, meaning some of the farm workers didn't get the full amount.

Does anyone know where the bank records are?

And what farm workers weren't paid the full amount. Do we have the statements of these farm workers.

Julie confirms all Jeremy was interested in was money. Seems some things never change.

Len Foakes was one of them - he was short by £100.00

[lookout]

JB did NOT initially blame Sheila because he had no idea of the extent of her mental issues. What he understood later was that which had been " fed " to him by those whose limited knowledge,blamed schizophrenia,instead of its cause. One doesn't suddenly develop schizophrenia.
I would hazard a guess that JB got the shock of his life after reading about the traumatic and tumultuous life that Sheila had endured that brought about her mental illness. Sheila was on a downward spiral. Anyone with half an eye could have seen that. Her friends,particularly when they'd remarked on how different she'd looked,scary and staring,since her final hospital visit. 

JB has never seen himself as the victim,it's others who've added that " he too is a victim ". He certainly hasn't come across as a " feel sorry for me " person,of which there are many,but I wouldn't class them ALL as being psychopaths. I can't be doing with these sort of people either ( sympathy seekers ) 

[Stephanie]

Len Foakes was one of them - he was short by £100.00

Thanks Caroline.

This supports the fact he was criminally versatile and his only interest as Julie recognised and said in her statement was MONEY. All those people in his life were mere objects. Just as they are today.

I'll take another look at the statement.

When Jeremy was arrested at the airport, did he have anything illegal on him? And does anyone know where I will find his arrest/custody records?

[Stephanie]

JB did NOT initially blame Sheila because he had no idea of the extent of her mental issues. What he understood later was that which had been " fed " to him by those whose limited knowledge,blamed schizophrenia,instead of its cause. One doesn't suddenly develop schizophrenia.
I would hazard a guess that JB got the shock of his life after reading about the traumatic and tumultuous life that Sheila had endured that brought about her mental illness. Sheila was on a downward spiral. Anyone with half an eye could have seen that. Her friends,particularly when they'd remarked on how different she'd looked,scary and staring,since her final hospital visit. 

JB has never seen himself as the victim,it's others who've added that " he too is a victim ". He certainly hasn't come across as a " feel sorry for me " person,of which there are many,but I wouldn't class them ALL as being psychopaths. I can't be doing with these sort of people either ( sympathy seekers )

Yes he did. You are forgetting what he told the police when he phoned them and spoke to them outside the farmhouse that morning. It was Jeremy who planted the seed of doubt...

Thankfully the police saw through the lie!

[lookout]

Yes he did. You are forgetting what he told the police when he phoned them and spoke to them outside the farmhouse that morning. It was Jeremy who planted the seed of doubt...

Thankfully the police saw through the lie!

JB blamed the police for killing his family----not Sheila.

[Jane]

JB did NOT initially blame Sheila because he had no idea of the extent of her mental issues. What he understood later was that which had been " fed " to him by those whose limited knowledge,blamed schizophrenia,instead of its cause. One doesn't suddenly develop schizophrenia.
I would hazard a guess that JB got the shock of his life after reading about the traumatic and tumultuous life that Sheila had endured that brought about her mental illness. Sheila was on a downward spiral. Anyone with half an eye could have seen that. Her friends,particularly when they'd remarked on how different she'd looked,scary and staring,since her final hospital visit. 

JB has never seen himself as the victim,it's others who've added that " he too is a victim ". He certainly hasn't come across as a " feel sorry for me " person,of which there are many,but I wouldn't class them ALL as being psychopaths. I can't be doing with these sort of people either ( sympathy seekers )

Actually, Lookout, he did exactly that when he passed on the alleged message from Nevill, to the police. How so you know what information had been feed him? I don't believe that there's any correlation between sympathy seekers and psychopaths.

[Jane]

JB blamed the police for killing his family----not Sheila.

Having previously b lamed her via Nevill's alleged call in which he told police that Sheila had gone mad.........................

[lookout]

Having previously b lamed her via Nevill's alleged call in which he told police that Sheila had gone mad.........................

In JB's mind though,not " mad " enough to open fire.It would have been the last thing he'd have thought about,but because of this and because his father had described Sheila as having gone beserk or whatever,it might have prompted JB to have blamed the police if he'd had a picture of someone going mad and the police shooting at her because she too was armed.

[Jane]

In JB's mind though,not " mad " enough to open fire.It would have been the last thing he'd have thought about,but because of this and because his father had described Sheila as having gone beserk or whatever,it might have prompted JB to have blamed the police if he'd had a picture of someone going mad and the police shooting at her because she too was armed.

Where are your grounds for thinking that, Lookout? You seem to have become Jeremy's unofficial mouthpiece, so certain are you of what was in his mind at a given time.

[lookout]

Where are your grounds for thinking that, Lookout? You seem to have become Jeremy's unofficial mouthpiece, so certain are you of what was in his mind at a given time.

Grounds ? It happens to be how my own mind thinks.

[Jane]

Grounds ? It happens to be how my own mind thinks.

Fat lot of use you'd have been to him in court, then.

[lookout]

Fat lot of use you'd have been to him in court, then.

Oh,I don't know,as instead of dwelling on him as people do on here,I'd have spread the net wider.

[Caroline]

Thanks Caroline.

This supports the fact he was criminally versatile and his only interest as Julie recognised and said in her statement was MONEY. All those people in his life were mere objects. Just as they are today.

I'll take another look at the statement.

When Jeremy was arrested at the airport, did he have anything illegal on him? And does anyone know where I will find his arrest/custody records?

Barbara Wilson had counted the money out, gave it to Jeremy to give to Len Foakes and by the time he received it, it was £100.00 short.

No, he didn't have anything illegal on him and I don't think we have his arrest records here. If we have, I haven't seen them.

[Jane]

Oh,I don't know,as instead of dwelling on him as people do on here,I'd have spread the net wider.

There are those here with a much less emotional and romanticized view of him than yours, Lookout. Your net is way more (w)holy than righteous.

[lookout]

There are those here with a much less emotional and romanticized view of him than yours, Lookout. Your net is way more (w)holy than righteous.

 
No. I'm straight and to the point,not emotional because it's not my style ( must be the psychopath in me ) romantic I'm not,that's for mugs,and righteous is not a description I'd give myself as there's a time and place for being so,and it's not here.