Author Topic: Entrapment strategy of coercive control employed by Bamber over Julie Mugford  (Read 13576 times)

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Barbara Wilson had counted the money out, gave it to Jeremy to give to Len Foakes and by the time he received it, it was £100.00 short.

No, he didn't have anything illegal on him and I don't think we have his arrest records here. If we have, I haven't seen them.

So Jeremy got it out of the bank, when Julie was with him, spent money from the wages then passed it to Barbara Wilson for her to pay the workers.. Is that right?

How do we know he didn't have anything illegal on him if we don't have his arrest records? They would have been disclosed, along with his custody records, whilst at the police station.

When SH was arrested he had weed in the house. I have my suspicions that money being sent to Jeremy by his supporters is being used for drugs. There's a chance he deals inside; especially if he did so before he was arrested.
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No. I'm straight and to the point,not emotional because it's not my style ( must be the psychopath in me ) romantic I'm not,that's for mugs,and righteous is not a description I'd give myself as there's a time and place for being so,and it's not here.

That's not the way you come over at all Lookout.
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No. I'm straight and to the point,not emotional because it's not my style ( must be the psychopath in me ) romantic I'm not,that's for mugs,and righteous is not a description I'd give myself as there's a time and place for being so,and it's not here.

Lookout, you may tell me you're unemotional until you're blue in the face, but your posts, regarding Jeremy, reveal you to be so.

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So Jeremy got it out of the bank, when Julie was with him, spent money from the wages then passed it to Barbara Wilson for her to pay the workers.. Is that right?

How do we know he didn't have anything illegal on him if we don't have his arrest records? They would have been disclosed, along with his custody records, whilst at the police station.

When SH was arrested he had weed in the house. I have my suspicions that money being sent to Jeremy by his supporters is being used for drugs. There's a chance he deals inside; especially if he did so before he was arrested.

No, Barbara had counted out LF's wages and put it in the safe - she counted it twice to make sure it was correct. When it was given to LF, it was £100.00 short and PE had to compensate him.

I think if he had had anything illegal on him, we'd have known about it by now.
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Lookout, you may tell me you're unemotional until you're blue in the face, but your posts, regarding Jeremy, reveal you to be so.





I'm telling you that there's no emotion attached to Jeremy at all. Blimey,my eldest daughter is only 2 weeks younger than him and it's her where my emotions are often focussed,10,000 miles away !
Jeremy is just someone that I'd like to see getting a fair and proper deal via the justice system.
 I was the same with Louise Woodward,who I'd felt very strong against her conviction at the time when I even wrote to her parents telling them of my feelings and why I thought she was innocent. That was 1997/8,after returning from Oz.
I was shouted down and verbally abused online during a debate about the McCanns,another in which I felt strongly about regarding their innocence,so abuse has followed me around,dished out by those who always felt it necessary to PROVE themselves right. Empty vessels.
I don't need to use those tactics.

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I'm telling you that there's no emotion attached to Jeremy at all. Blimey,my eldest daughter is only 2 weeks younger than him and it's her where my emotions are often focussed,10,000 miles away !
Jeremy is just someone that I'd like to see getting a fair and proper deal via the justice system.
 I was the same with Louise Woodward,who I'd felt very strong against her conviction at the time when I even wrote to her parents telling them of my feelings and why I thought she was innocent. That was 1997/8,after returning from Oz.
I was shouted down and verbally abused online during a debate about the McCanns,another in which I felt strongly about regarding their innocence,so abuse has followed me around,dished out by those who always felt it necessary to PROVE themselves right. Empty vessels.
I don't need to use those tactics.

Louise Woodward has not been declared innocent. Her guilty conviction still stands. You referred to her as Joanne Woodward in an earlier post

What made you write to her parents?

Do you write to  many people in prison Lookout; or have you done over the years?

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This article sums Jeremy Bamber up http://neuroinstincts.com/violent-psychopaths-and-crime/

"Many psychopaths like to be seen in a positive light, even after they have committed heinous acts and caused considerable harm to their victims.

Impression management and image come before any consideration or concern is extended towards their anti-social behavior. There victim is never given consideration.

Which can be seen in the way he behaved following the murders, at the funerals and how he continues to attempt to portray himself to his supporters

Damaging the reputation of another is of no concern to someone with psychopathy. It serves to put the fault on someone else, which they view as successful manipulation and reinforces that they are smarter than all involved (eg: police, non psychopathic partner, attorney). Additionally the process of deception and duping is stimulating and pleasurable.

He attempted to damage the reputation of Julie Mugford and indeed the relatives, not forgetting the police.


https://twitter.com/JMoncktonSmith/status/817053932006608896/photo/1

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04nfr82

"Family killings are on the increase, according to a criminologist at the University of Gloucestershire.
Dr Jane Monckton-Smith's study into domestic homicides suggests that in 95% of cases it men who carry out the acts of violence.
She tells Victoria that in most cases there are warning signs prior to the murders, which if acted upon could save lives.
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https://twitter.com/JMoncktonSmith/status/817053932006608896/photo/1

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04nfr82

"Family killings are on the increase, according to a criminologist at the University of Gloucestershire.
Dr Jane Monckton-Smith's study into domestic homicides suggests that in 95% of cases it men who carry out the acts of violence.
She tells Victoria that in most cases there are warning signs prior to the murders, which if acted upon could save lives.


This is worth listening to imo. I've read a lot of her work and she has a wealth of experience.

It's clear from Julie's evidence and indeed the relatives evidence that there were danger signs.

I am hopeful Jane Monckton Smith exposes what Jeremy Bamber is doing, along with the many other prisoners who are alleging they are victims, when clearly they not.

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Barbara Wilson had counted the money out, gave it to Jeremy to give to Len Foakes and by the time he received it, it was £100.00 short.

No, he didn't have anything illegal on him and I don't think we have his arrest records here. If we have, I haven't seen them.

Were they paid weekly or monthly ?

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This is worth listening to imo. I've read a lot of her work and she has a wealth of experience.

It's clear from Julie's evidence and indeed the relatives evidence that there were danger signs.

I am hopeful Jane Monckton Smith exposes what Jeremy Bamber is doing, along with the many other prisoners who are alleging they are victims, when clearly they not.

"There are consistencies in the way this certain group of men behave. Over 95 % of cases are men. Domestic homicides that have extended out. Always planned, never spontaneous
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I HAVE JUST REMOVED A FEW POSTS AS THEY WERE DIRECTED AT THE POSTER NOT THE THREAD SUBJECT.

CAN YOU KEEP ON SUBJECT PLEASE.

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I HAVE JUST REMOVED A FEW POSTS AS THEY WERE DIRECTED AT THE POSTER NOT THE THREAD SUBJECT.

CAN YOU KEEP ON SUBJECT PLEASE.

Hi Maggie, there are a few posts from last night that were abusive, directed at me and haven't been removed. You most probably missed them.
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Louise Woodward has not been declared innocent. Her guilty conviction still stands. You referred to her as Joanne Woodward in an earlier post

What made you write to her parents?

Do you write to  many people in prison Lookout; or have you done over the years?




Louise was no murderer. When that baby's skull was x-rayed,one pathologist had said he found a fracture to be an old one and not fitting with the time that the baby had died. The fracture had been present for long enough for the baby to suddenly develop symptoms.

I wrote to her parents on my return from Oz because I'd witnessed an incident which made me think.At the time I was away,my daughter was a child-minder and also had a toddler herself who objected strongly to " these children " coming into his house with his mummy looking after them. The child,my own grandson showed unnatural jealousy and hostility towards the children,which I noticed but my daughter didn't,as it was her son ! As soon as I saw " sly " displays of pinching and kicking,I then offered to take the 6 week old baby out in its pram--------out of the house to be honest.
Anyway,when all the children had gone home,I had a word with my daughter about what I'd seen her youngster doing and she disbelieved me. Each day,I felt very uncomfortable with this g/son of mine around ( who wouldn't even come out with me,he stayed clinging to his mother or creating havoc  instead ) One night after the children had left again,their was a knock on the door and it was the father of one of the children.The guy was a cop,both he and his wife worked,and he presented his little girl whose back was bruised all over,and at 3 years of age she was able to say who'd done it.The finger pointed to my g/son who was also 3 at the time and the little girl had said he'd been sitting behind her,kicking her back.
I felt embarrassed and worse because my daughter made excuses that they were all playing and it could have been any one of them,but I knew it was him.

The moral of all this was that the time that Louise was accused,a toddler also lived at the house where she'd stayed. I can't remember the age of the child,another boy,but it had been previously reported that when a nanny went to the house for an interview,this older child started hitting the person who'd gone for the interview. Immediately I thought of another jealous child who'd objected to anyone going near his mother,and then I thought to myself that I wouldn't put it past him to have thrown a toy at the baby at some time and it struck the baby's head.
That's when I wrote to Louise's parents with my theory,because again,I could not picture that young girl doing any harm to either of those children,least of all the baby,but they made such a song and dance in the States that it whipped up a frenzy and resulted in a hate campaign.

I've never written to anyone in prison before,ever.

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Hi Maggie, there are a few posts from last night that were abusive, directed at me and haven't been removed. You most probably missed them.
i Most probably I did Stephanie.  Can you let me know where I'll find them.  Thank you

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Louise was no murderer. When that baby's skull was x-rayed,one pathologist had said he found a fracture to be an old one and not fitting with the time that the baby had died. The fracture had been present for long enough for the baby to suddenly develop symptoms.

I wrote to her parents on my return from Oz because I'd witnessed an incident which made me think.At the time I was away,my daughter was a child-minder and also had a toddler herself who objected strongly to " these children " coming into his house with his mummy looking after them. The child,my own grandson showed unnatural jealousy and hostility towards the children,which I noticed but my daughter didn't,as it was her son ! As soon as I saw " sly " displays of pinching and kicking,I then offered to take the 6 week old baby out in its pram--------out of the house to be honest.
Anyway,when all the children had gone home,I had a word with my daughter about what I'd seen her youngster doing and she disbelieved me. Each day,I felt very uncomfortable with this g/son of mine around ( who wouldn't even come out with me,he stayed clinging to his mother or creating havoc  instead ) One night after the children had left again,their was a knock on the door and it was the father of one of the children.The guy was a cop,both he and his wife worked,and he presented his little girl whose back was bruised all over,and at 3 years of age she was able to say who'd done it.The finger pointed to my g/son who was also 3 at the time and the little girl had said he'd been sitting behind her,kicking her back.
I felt embarrassed and worse because my daughter made excuses that they were all playing and it could have been any one of them,but I knew it was him.

The moral of all this was that the time that Louise was accused,a toddler also lived at the house where she'd stayed. I can't remember the age of the child,another boy,but it had been previously reported that when a nanny went to the house for an interview,this older child started hitting the person who'd gone for the interview. Immediately I thought of another jealous child who'd objected to anyone going near his mother,and then I thought to myself that I wouldn't put it past him to have thrown a toy at the baby at some time and it struck the baby's head.
That's when I wrote to Louise's parents with my theory,because again,I could not picture that young girl doing any harm to either of those children,least of all the baby,but they made such a song and dance in the States that it whipped up a frenzy and resulted in a hate campaign.

I've never written to anyone in prison before,ever.

In your opinion she "was no murderer.

Just Jeremy Bamber
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