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Offline Adam

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Everything is going well, not to worry".
« on: January 04, 2017, 10:46:AM »
Bamber's WS agrees a lot with Julie about what he said in his 3am call to her. In He didn't call Julie Mugford at San. line with Julie's WS, his WS said he rang Julie and said - "there is something wrong" (at the farm) to her.  yes, and...

I doubt that Bamber would deny saying "bye honey I love you lots" It's not incriminating although quite jovial for someone in his situation. so, your point is?

Both of them agree Bamber did not phone Julie and ask for advice. no, but he did tell her that he thought -there's something wrong at the farm'

So the only disagreement is whether Bamber said "everything is going well, not to worry". Which Julie says Bamber said. not to be overlooked, is the fact that Julie's witness statements were written in the hand writing of 'Stan' Jones, who paraphrased her answers...

Making a big effort to phone Julie at 3am, 3.30am - 'there's something wrong at the farmhouse... suggests he wanted to give her an update on his 'it's now never' / 'tonights the night' statements a few hours earlier. it doesn't sound right, sorry... This would automatically mean saying "everything is going well, not to worry" as Bamber had attempted and completed the first part of his plan. He didn't have a plan, unlike 'Stan' Jones who had intend to lock Jeremy up for his involvement of one or more of the five murders...

To just ring Julie up just to say "there is something wrong at the farm. Bye honey love you lots" makes no sense. it makes perfect sense, in the circumstances...

I don't recall Bamber ever denying outright he said "everything is going well, not to worry". He just said "no comment" to the police when asked what he said. In August 1985 it was a suspects right to remain silent, so him offering bank comments was an acceptable reply in those days... Then testified he "wanted to hear a friendly voice". yes, which was why Jeremy phoned her, to tell her that 'something was wrong at the farmhouse'...

The problem is Bamber had a severe case of amenesia in 1985. If No, he did not. It was his legal right to remain silent or offer 'no explanation. His solicitor would have advised him not to answer questions at that stage. Since when was it a criminal offence to remain silent, or to offer 'no comments? the OS now gives percifics on what Bamber said in that call, people will ask how Bamber can now suddenly remember. May E, he remembered all a!Omg, but did not want to say, because during his trial he was assured by his counsel, Rivlin QC, that the court should be instructed to disregard Julie Mugfords evidence for a variety of different reasons!!!

Everyone will agree if he said "Everything is going well, not to worry", it makes Bamber 100% guilty. It is almost certain he did ring Julie to make this boast after she dismissed his 10am rants. You think so?
« Last Edit: January 05, 2017, 05:33:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: Everything is going well, not to worry".
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2017, 01:02:PM »
Everyone will agree that Sheila scrawled " I hate this place ",when referring to WHF.
Everyone will agree that Sheila also said " All people are bad and should be dead/killed ".

Were these remarks ever followed up/questioned ? NO !!

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Re: Everything is going well, not to worry".
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2017, 01:48:PM »
Everyone will agree that Sheila scrawled " I hate this place ",when referring to WHF.
Everyone will agree that Sheila also said " All people are bad and should be dead/killed ".

Were these remarks ever followed up/questioned ? NO !!

If she did, it has nothing to do with the massacre.

Bamber ringing Julie at 3am on the massacre night and saying "everything is going well. Not to worry" shows Bamber is guilty.
« Last Edit: January 04, 2017, 02:02:PM by Adam »
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Re: Everything is going well, not to worry".
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2017, 02:01:PM »
Everyone will agree that Sheila scrawled " I hate this place ",when referring to WHF.
Everyone will agree that Sheila also said " All people are bad and should be dead/killed ".

Were these remarks ever followed up/questioned ? NO !!

 Everyone will agree that "I hate this place" could just as easily have been Jeremy's handiwork.
Everyone will agree that Jeremy said "I hate my f*cking parents", "I could easily kill my parents" and gave reasons for why they might be better off dead.

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« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2017, 02:06:PM »
If she did, it has nothing to do with the massacre.

Bamber ringing Julie at 3am on the massacre night and saying "everything is going well. Not to worry" shows Bamber is guilty.
If Bamber rang at 3.00am, he rang before Neville phoned him or supposedly phoned him? So 100 per cent he is guilty.

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Re: Everything is going well, not to worry".
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2017, 03:33:PM »
Doesn't it have to be proven ??

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« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2017, 05:14:PM »
Everyone will agree that "I hate this place" could just as easily have been Jeremy's handiwork.
Everyone will agree that Jeremy said "I hate my f*cking parents", "I could easily kill my parents" and gave reasons for why they might be better off dead.




Hearsay said by someone who benefitted !

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Re: Everything is going well, not to worry".
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2017, 05:18:PM »



Hearsay said by someone who benefitted !

Are you saying that everyone who was treated to Jeremy's views on his family were beneficiaries?

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Re: Everything is going well, not to worry".
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2017, 05:21:PM »
Are you saying that everyone who was treated to Jeremy's views on his family were beneficiaries?





I'm saying it's all hearsay unless a third party can prove it was said,or like Sheila,JB had written it as proof.

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Re: Everything is going well, not to worry".
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2017, 05:29:PM »




I'm saying it's all hearsay unless a third party can prove it was said,or like Sheila,JB had written it as proof.

Like there were others in the around who heard some of what Jeremy said re his parents. It matches pretty well with what was only said to one person.

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Re: Everything is going well, not to worry".
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2017, 05:42:PM »
Like there were others in the around who heard some of what Jeremy said re his parents. It matches pretty well with what was only said to one person.





Does it now ? Can you prove what he's alleged to have said ? Can I ? NO !

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« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2017, 05:46:PM »





Does it now ? Can you prove what he's alleged to have said ? Can I ? NO !

That's correct, but I don't have to prove him guilty, it's already been done, whereas you have to prove him innocent.

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« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2017, 05:51:PM »
That's correct, but I don't have to prove him guilty, it's already been done, whereas you have to prove him innocent.




Yes,and a bloody sight harder to prove innocence as JB found out,against a pack of wolves,but at least I've stood my ground and will continue to do so.

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Re: Everything is going well, not to worry".
« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2017, 06:14:PM »
If Bamber rang at 3.00am, he rang before Neville phoned him or supposedly phoned him? So 100 per cent he is guilty.

My view is Bamber rang Julie at 3am. As mentioned as part of an alibi.

Two flatmates said this. They also backed up their reasons. One saying her digital clock definately said 2 something. Probably 2:58/59. The other said it was around 3:15am but she always kept her clock 10 minutes fast.

If you take the middle ground between 2:58/59am & 3:05am, you get 3:00am.

He then rang the police at 3:26am after composing himself & getting freshened up.
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Re: Everything is going well, not to worry".
« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2017, 07:25:PM »




I'm saying it's all hearsay unless a third party can prove it was said,or like Sheila,JB had written it as proof.

Actually Lookout, a 'third party' would be hearsay  ;D
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