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Re: 80 point timeline (attributed to JBCampaign)
« Reply #30 on: January 01, 2017, 10:51:PM »
According to West's statement, Jeremy didn't say 'Sheila' or 'she' when describing what his father had said during the call, West said he claimed Nevill have told him 'Your sister has gone crazy and has the gun'. This is also what is written on the log.

"Please come over?
Where has this come from? Am tired  :-[
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Re: 80 point timeline (attributed to JBCampaign)
« Reply #31 on: January 02, 2017, 12:00:AM »

"Please come over?
Where has this come from? Am tired  :-[

It is in West's statement, he said Jeremy said "You've got to help me, my father has just phoned me saying 'Please come over, your sister has gone crazy and has the gun'"

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Re: 80 point timeline (attributed to JBCampaign)
« Reply #32 on: January 02, 2017, 12:08:AM »
Why would he be "kidding" anyway at 3 o' clock in the morning?

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Re: 80 point timeline (attributed to JBCampaign)
« Reply #33 on: January 02, 2017, 12:09:AM »
It is in West's statement, he said Jeremy said "You've got to help me, my father has just phoned me saying 'Please come over, your sister has gone crazy and has the gun'"



Thanks Caroline. So this is the one and only phone call Bamber made to the police and this is as accurate as it gets.

This is West also isn't it?
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Re: 80 point timeline (attributed to JBCampaign)
« Reply #34 on: January 02, 2017, 12:10:AM »
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Re: 80 point timeline (attributed to JBCampaign)
« Reply #35 on: January 02, 2017, 12:14:AM »

I'm sorry you feel that way David. I know very little about guns, unlike Police Officers, who I'm quite sure are able to distinguish between the movement of a person, the report of a gun or the rustle of paper.

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Re: 80 point timeline (attributed to JBCampaign)
« Reply #36 on: January 02, 2017, 12:15:AM »
Why would he be "kidding" anyway at 3 o' clock in the morning?

And to recap...

Bamber: No, I'm just saying (I've got to get my words right) - long pause. I'm just trying to remember the question.

Police: I will repeat the question

Bamber: It is easy to make conclusions as to what was going on and at the time and until now I have been told Sheila did it.

Police: My question was have you changed Sheila to she has?

Bamber: No, but I did at the time to the police on the phone say Sheila's gone crazy she's got a gun or she's got a gun she's gone crazy and I'm sure the police officer will back that up, but after being told that my sister had killed everybody it was a logical conclusion to say in my statement Sheila instead of she has.

Police:You see Mr Bamber you told the police officer on the phone it was Sheila, you mentioned it was your sister, the fact that she was suffering from mental illness so we are all told the phone call could not have been from Sheila because she has been murdered, you have now changed today from Sheila to she has. Why suddenly change from Sheila to she has?

Bamber: This is not a sudden change all I am saying is what my father said to me on the phone call which I expressed to the policeman that morning, either Sheila had gone crazy or shes got a gun or gone crazy which is my fathers words, not mine, I at the time concluded with no evidence that it must have been my sister who had a long history of mental illness.

Police: I put it to you that the reason you have changed your story is because today I have told you that Sheila was murdered and in no way could your father have said "It was Sheila." Is that the reason?

Bamber: No but at the time, as I have expressed twice, that I was unsure of the message but when I did my statement I concluded as I have said, that Sheila was the name used and not she has. They sound similarish when said fast and in a panicked voice.

Police:Are you now saying that a women killed your family as you have changed Sheila to she has?

Bamber: No, I am not saying who killed my family, if it is proved that my sister did not, and I am not changing my original words.

Police: But you have told that night on the phone verbally and the next day in writing that your Dad said Sheila, what is your position?

Bamber: On the morning when I rang the police as I have said three times before I expressed to versions of what he said and when I made my statement, it did not seem important and I naturally made the conclusion that he used the word Sheila.

Police: When you received that call from your father what was your immediate thought?

Bamber: Don't remember probably many things whizzed through my head

Police:You are an intelligent man and surely the first thing you thought about doing was to phone the police, dont you agree?

Bamber: Its a matter of opinion

Police: You say it's a matter of opinion there was your father saying Sheila or as you now say she has gone crazy with a gun The most logical thing to do was to call the police, because he appeared o be in danger.

Bamber: True, the most logical thing to do was ring the police but whether he was in danger, I had no idea. I had no evidence, or no idea at the time.

Police: But you must have thought it because you did ring the police. Do you agree?

Bamber: I did phone the police but for many different reasons.

Police: Such as?

Bamber: Long pause. No comment. Silly question.
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Re: 80 point timeline (attributed to JBCampaign)
« Reply #37 on: January 02, 2017, 12:15:AM »
Thanks Caroline. So this is the one and only phone call Bamber made to the police and this is as accurate as it gets.

This is West also isn't it?


It certainly is.
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Re: 80 point timeline (attributed to JBCampaign)
« Reply #38 on: January 02, 2017, 12:18:AM »


Do you look like this bloke or something David? Only it's getting boring now and just makes you look like a plonker.

And if you want someone to take your research seriously you are going the wrong way about it mate.

You are sending mixed messages.
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Re: 80 point timeline (attributed to JBCampaign)
« Reply #39 on: January 02, 2017, 12:39:AM »
And to recap...

Bamber: No, I'm just saying (I've got to get my words right) - long pause. I'm just trying to remember the question.

Police: I will repeat the question

Bamber: It is easy to make conclusions as to what was going on and at the time and until now I have been told Sheila did it.

Police: My question was have you changed Sheila to she has?

Bamber: No, but I did at the time to the police on the phone say Sheila's gone crazy she's got a gun or she's got a gun she's gone crazy and I'm sure the police officer will back that up, but after being told that my sister had killed everybody it was a logical conclusion to say in my statement Sheila instead of she has.

Police:You see Mr Bamber you told the police officer on the phone it was Sheila, you mentioned it was your sister, the fact that she was suffering from mental illness so we are all told the phone call could not have been from Sheila because she has been murdered, you have now changed today from Sheila to she has. Why suddenly change from Sheila to she has?

Bamber: This is not a sudden change all I am saying is what my father said to me on the phone call which I expressed to the policeman that morning, either Sheila had gone crazy or shes got a gun or gone crazy which is my fathers words, not mine, I at the time concluded with no evidence that it must have been my sister who had a long history of mental illness.

Police: I put it to you that the reason you have changed your story is because today I have told you that Sheila was murdered and in no way could your father have said "It was Sheila." Is that the reason?

Bamber: No but at the time, as I have expressed twice, that I was unsure of the message but when I did my statement I concluded as I have said, that Sheila was the name used and not she has. They sound similarish when said fast and in a panicked voice.

Police:Are you now saying that a women killed your family as you have changed Sheila to she has?

Bamber: No, I am not saying who killed my family, if it is proved that my sister did not, and I am not changing my original words.

Police: But you have told that night on the phone verbally and the next day in writing that your Dad said Sheila, what is your position?

Bamber: On the morning when I rang the police as I have said three times before I expressed to versions of what he said and when I made my statement, it did not seem important and I naturally made the conclusion that he used the word Sheila.

Police: When you received that call from your father what was your immediate thought?

Bamber: Don't remember probably many things whizzed through my head

Police:You are an intelligent man and surely the first thing you thought about doing was to phone the police, dont you agree?

Bamber: Its a matter of opinion

Police: You say it's a matter of opinion there was your father saying Sheila or as you now say she has gone crazy with a gun The most logical thing to do was to call the police, because he appeared o be in danger.

Bamber: True, the most logical thing to do was ring the police but whether he was in danger, I had no idea. I had no evidence, or no idea at the time.

Police: But you must have thought it because you did ring the police. Do you agree?

Bamber: I did phone the police but for many different reasons.

Police: Such as?

Bamber: Long pause. No comment. Silly question.

The fact that West stated he said 'sister' blows the 'Sheila or she' rubbish out of the water.
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Re: 80 point timeline (attributed to JBCampaign)
« Reply #40 on: January 02, 2017, 12:46:AM »
The fact that West stated he said 'sister' blows the 'Sheila or she' rubbish out of the water.

Not just that but Bambers guilt is as clear as day during police interviews.

Interestingly Mark Webster was involved un the SH case. I mention him as his WS is next to Wests in the archives.
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Re: 80 point timeline (attributed to JBCampaign)
« Reply #41 on: January 02, 2017, 12:50:AM »
Not just that but Bambers guilt is as clear as day during police interviews.

Interestingly Mark Webster was involved un the SH case. I mention him as his WS is next to Wests in the archives.

Of course it is because when Jones told him they could prove Sheila didn't kill anyone, that's when he said his father might have said 'she' instead of 'Sheila. That could then shift the blame onto June. However, it seems that he said 'sister' so he meant to blame Sheila from the start - too bad that West wrote sister on the log and also passed it on to Bonnett who paraphrased and wrote 'daughter'.
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Re: 80 point timeline (attributed to JBCampaign)
« Reply #42 on: January 02, 2017, 12:52:AM »
PC West's witness statement is not signed...
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Re: 80 point timeline (attributed to JBCampaign)
« Reply #43 on: January 02, 2017, 12:53:AM »
PC West's witness statement is not signed...

The one on the forum isn't as it's likely just a copy. I don't see him coming forward complaining it's false?
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Re: 80 point timeline (attributed to JBCampaign)
« Reply #44 on: January 02, 2017, 01:04:AM »
Mike, point 75 is what I tried to bring to your attention recently.  It is in direct contradiction to your theory regarding the rifle having been removed from the window and placed atop Sheila.  The OS clearly have the sequence reversed (and this is stated on their site).  I understand this still leaves a question regarding what happened to the rifle in the box room.

The official site have got the sequence wrong, the rifle was definitely photographed resting at the bedroom window in photograph number 23, prior to the same rifle being photographed with Sheila's body as in photograph numbers, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32 and 33, and here is the documentary evidence proving it:-
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