Re - Professor Herbert Leon MacDonell:

[lookout]

Caroline, some people don't want or like the truth.

I'm not particularly bothered what you say either, I've heard it all before. I'm watching TV.

[Caroline]

I'm not particularly bothered what you say either, I've heard it all before. I'm watching TV.

So that just back up what Justice said.

[lookout]

So that just back up what Justice said.

What ? I wasn't listening.

[Caroline]

What ? I wasn't listening.

Must have because you responded 

[Stephanie]

Just like the Zenith burglary omission in the SH case, the truth will start to unravel. It's obvious this fact has been played down a great deal.

"Bamber has kept a low profile in prison, apart from the time he was forced to defend himself with a broken bottle when a prisoner attacked him with a knife. He received 28 stitches on his neck following a second attack by another inmate.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2456759/Jeremy-Bamber-Do-macabre-pictures-prove-innocent.html#ixzz4UMOP0se4

And as David has kindly pointed out

I have just read through the 1998 judgment on Jeremy trying to get his category downgraded. No mention of such incident.
As usual guiltards making something out of nothing. 

Seems we need to learn more about what the home office uncovered.

[lookout]

Must have because you responded 

 I'm watching " The Real Marigold on Tour "-------hilarious.

[Stephanie]

Just like the Zenith burglary omission in the SH case, the truth will start to unravel. It's obvious this fact has been played down a great deal.

"Bamber has kept a low profile in prison, apart from the time he was forced to defend himself with a broken bottle when a prisoner attacked him with a knife. He received 28 stitches on his neck following a second attack by another inmate.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2456759/Jeremy-Bamber-Do-macabre-pictures-prove-innocent.html#ixzz4UMOP0se4

And as David has kindly pointed out

Seems we need to learn more about what the home office uncovered.

And more importantly why this crime has been hushed up.

It will be interesting to learn what punishment Bamber received and whether there was a police investigation.

[Steve_uk]

I'm sure tempers do flare being cooped up long-term and I'm surprised there are not more incidents of that kind.

[mike tesko]

Herbert Leon McDonnell has recanted his 1993 findings. In 1993 he did not know the police had moved the bible and body between photos. Hence he erroneously concluded it was murder.

In 2011 MacDonell told Channel 4 News.

Dr MacDonell, who testified in the OJ Simpson murder case and was involved in the investigations into the assassinations of US Senator Robert F Kennedy and Martin Luther King Jr, told Channel 4 News:

“From the bloodstain patterns the victim’s arms must have been moved. Bloodstains on the floor showed that other objects were also moved. I concluded that it had to have been murder because of the two shots under her chin. (But) Some time later I learned that the pathologists concluded that she could have fired both shots so I now believe it could have been suicide as well.”

Hi David1819,

Yes, this is true, but what MacDonell did not know, was that there existed police messages confirming the presence of a female body in the kitchen from 7.35am, onwards. That female body could only have been reference to Sheila Caffells body.  I am confident in saying that if MacDonell had known about the existence of police message log contents, and other police material, suggesting that two bodies had been found upon entry to the kitchen, that he would almost certainly have concluded, as I do, that Jeremy Bamber had not shot dead his sister on the bedroom floor. I am 100% certain that in light of his findings, that he would have concluded that police shot and killed her (after 8.10am)...

[mike tesko]

MacDonell was correct in his analysis, Sheila had not taken her own life - I would be interested to hear MacDinells view on the death of Sheila on the bedroom floor, as compared to the earlier police message log contents, as per 7.35am, 7.37am, 7.38am, 7.45am, and 8.10am? MacDonnel is an expert, and surely he would conclude that after 8.10am, there had been a change in the body count of victims,cdownstairs and upstairs between 8.10am and 8.44am?

[JackiePreece]

Just like the Zenith burglary omission in the SH case, the truth will start to unravel. It's obvious this fact has been played down a great deal.

"Bamber has kept a low profile in prison, apart from the time he was forced to defend himself with a broken bottle when a prisoner attacked him with a knife. He received 28 stitches on his neck following a second attack by another inmate.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2456759/Jeremy-Bamber-Do-macabre-pictures-prove-innocent.html#ixzz4UMOP0se4

And as David has kindly pointed out

Seems we need to learn more about what the home office uncovered.

Back to Simon Hall AGAIN?
No comparisons again

[JackiePreece]

What people like you see as the truth and what people like me see as the truth are very different things Lookout.

I do not want people like Jeremy Bamber to win his freedom because of a technicality, even though he's guilty.

Jeremy Bamber will no doubt  continue to win over the minds of others and recruit like minded people, but he will never be released from prison!

I see Jeremy Bamber for what he is, as do many others and indeed the courts.

Jeremy Bamber has a distorted and inflated sense of himself. He also has a hard time seeing others points of view and he is unable to see the flaws in his own thinking.

And it is for these reasons he slips up time and time again.

Absolutely not true. I have had numerous phone calls with Jeremy and he does not have a distorted and inflated sense of himself

[JackiePreece]

Hi Roch. You say the case is very divisive among general opinion. I don't agree with this statement; especially since SH's confession.

With regards my views now regarding alleged MOJ's, yes they have changed considerably.

I did not have the knowledge then as I do now. I was naive, dim, easily fooled, however you wish to phrase it.

I was not aware of how deceptive, manipulative and convincing some people can be. I was not aware of pathology like I am now. When I refer to pathology I am not referring to just psychopaths, I am referring to disordered personalities in general.

Without hard, factual evidence, a prosecution case is a theory. Therefore many theories are created in order to sway, or it could be said 'fool' opinion.

Just because you say ' I was naive, dim, easily fooled, however you wish to phrase it. ' not every looking at this case is the same as you

As you know there many experts who believe Jeremy is innocent

[JackiePreece]

My view is that supporters should also be looking at those people who are supporting alleged MOJ's.

In my opinion, people like Mike O'Brien and Michelle Diskin have their own agenda's.

Mike O'Brien clearly wants to share with everyone his experiences of the injustice he suffered. It most probably brings him some comfort and makes his suffering a little easier?

Michelle Diskin; maybe she enjoys meeting people who are suffering? Maybe she thinks by telling of her experiences and those of her brothers, she is helping the people who are suffering?

From my experience; being a patron to cases like Bamber's does not mean the patrons know the person they are publicly supporting is innocent; nor does it appear to matter in some instances?

Sandra Lean; Billy Middleton. They both had agendas imo. Billy's was obvious. Although 'not proven' I am of the firm opinion he knowingly started 2 fires which claimed the life of his baby daughter. Sandra Lean; well I think it is clear from her previous posts here. Sandra Lean has yet to publicly admit she was fooled by SH and it's unlikely she will; preferring to blame others.

Here are some of the other cases I believe to be guilty:

Luke Mitchell
Kevin Nunn
Nick Rose

In fact it's most probable all of the cases linked to Billy Middleton and Sandra Lean are not MOJ's.

What is known of the people who publicly support Bamber? One only has to look at some of the people who are no longer in the picture. What was the name of that solicitor?

Sandra is someone I think very highly of.  We have private messaged each other and I am always keen to learn her opinions on certain cases

[JackiePreece]

all of them are Bambers attempts to hide behind his guilt..

How very strange that legal experts on here and in the field have seen all the evidence available and still believe JB to be innocent