Bamber 'wanting to hear a friendly voice'. At 3am.

[notsure]

Boarding school knocks any non streetwiseness out of pupils. They are trained -you love that word, don't you?- to be independent. SOME of the stories about Jeremy's Antipodean adventures MAY be apocryphal but the law of averages says some will have the ring of truth to them. I'm recognizing the wet behind the ears, Mummy's boy who still needs his bottom wiped, that you're presenting Jeremy as being, less and less.

that is absolutely not my experience Jane. I have 7 nieces and nephews that are either at or have attended private schools and I can say with confidence that it certainly does not make them streetwise in the slightest. Several of them have now left and taken on employment, however, in my experience e they hang onto the parents shirt tails far more than state school kids and can't seem to do much for themselves at all. In other words it totally depends on thier personalities etc.

[notsure]

They board during the week, return Home weekends. And one of the schools is the same one shiela went to.

[Stephanie]

Jeremy Bamber showed he was streetwise by his dope selling, how his thoughts following the murders turned to him needing to return to WHF in order to dispose of a letter (Does anyone have a link to the letter in question?) and retrieve his fathers wallet, the caravan break-in, the watches...etc

[Stephanie]

I'm recognizing the wet behind the ears, Mummy's boy who still needs his bottom wiped, that you're presenting Jeremy as being, less and less.

And this is exactly how SH attempted to behave in the lead up to and following his confession. Many of his letters have this theme running through them but what he failed to write in his letters was how he was presenting to prison staff and other prisoners. And he also failed to recollect the SH I met and got to know before he was arrested.

[Jane]

that is absolutely not my experience Jane. I have 7 nieces and nephews that are either at or have attended private schools and I can say with confidence that it certainly does not make them streetwise in the slightest. Several of them have now left and taken on employment, however, in my experience e they hang onto the parents shirt tails far more than state school kids and can't seem to do much for themselves at all. In other words it totally depends on thier personalities etc.

And it wasn't the same for me, either, but I was a day girl at a boarding school. The boarders all had to be responsible for their own uniforms -which may have explained why they looked so scruffy, but it wasn't done for them.
 If Jeremy had hung around the farm after leaving school I'd have been more inclined to agree with you, but he had several different jobs, which I'm assuming the senior Bambers didn't help him to get, he'd been on two Antipodean trips, and he had his own house. He also organized the successful burglary of his family's business. I don't see how any of that equates with hanging onto parental shirt tails.

[lookout]

Why don't you look for yourself?

I didn't ask you !!

[lookout]

that is absolutely not my experience Jane. I have 7 nieces and nephews that are either at or have attended private schools and I can say with confidence that it certainly does not make them streetwise in the slightest. Several of them have now left and taken on employment, however, in my experience e they hang onto the parents shirt tails far more than state school kids and can't seem to do much for themselves at all. In other words it totally depends on thier personalities etc.

I agree with you on that.They're a " different breed " to those who go to state-schools and as for travelling it makes you more aware of your surrounds but it doesn't alter in any way,the streetwise effect where that is left to those who attend the state schools.Most of the private schools,it's the parents who drop them off there,no public transport,then collect them at term-time. Theirs is an entirely different life altogether--------a more pampered one and not one where they have to find their own way in life.Those who do are the streetwise ones.

[Stephanie]

I agree with you on that.They're a " different breed " to those who go to state-schools and as for travelling it makes you more aware of your surrounds but it doesn't alter in any way,the streetwise effect where that is left to those who attend the state schools.Most of the private schools,it's the parents who drop them off there,no public transport,then collect them at term-time. Theirs is an entirely different life altogether--------a more pampered one and not one where they have to find their own way in life.Those who do are the streetwise ones.

A different breed? What breed of human would that be then?

Have you got your ideas from TV & books Lookout? You sound like you are referring to Oliver Twist?

[lookout]

A different breed? What breed of human would that be then?

More refined/well-bred/well mannered,usually, knowledgeable in the right sense and hopefully better people-----------good luck to them ! Where would we be without them with state education as it is ?

[Stephanie]

Have you got your ideas from TV & books Lookout? You sound like you are referring to Oliver Twist?

More refined/well-bred/well mannered,usually, knowledgeable in the right sense and hopefully better people-----------good luck to them !

Just as I thought 

[Jane]

I agree with you on that.They're a " different breed " to those who go to state-schools and as for travelling it makes you more aware of your surrounds but it doesn't alter in any way,the streetwise effect where that is left to those who attend the state schools.Most of the private schools,it's the parents who drop them off there,no public transport,then collect them at term-time. Theirs is an entirely different life altogether--------a more pampered one and not one where they have to find their own way in life.Those who do are the streetwise ones.

Pampered isn't the word which comes to mind when I recall that, from the age of 7, my school day started when I left home at 7.30, walked a mile to the bus, and another mile when I got off the bus. Doing the journey in reverse, I got home at 5.30. It was certainly "an entirely different life altogether" from those who went to the local state school!!!!!

[lookout]

A different breed? What breed of human would that be then?

Have you got your ideas from TV & books Lookout? You sound like you are referring to Oliver Twist?

When do I have the time to read any books ? My ideas are purely my own and mixing with people from all walks of life.

[Stephanie]

Boarding school knocks any non streetwiseness out of pupils. They are trained -you love that word, don't you?- to be independent. SOME of the stories about Jeremy's Antipodean adventures MAY be apocryphal but the law of averages says some will have the ring of truth to them. I'm recognizing the wet behind the ears, Mummy's boy who still needs his bottom wiped, that you're presenting Jeremy as being, less and less.

Jeremy Bamber the pretend co-dependant https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vi6GT8TMm8

[Adam]

This is interesting Adam. I recall well when SH made his confession, not dissimilar to when Bamber phoned JM I suppose. I once questioned why he chose to confess to me, as opposed to prison staff or someone else. Why didn't he confess to his mother for example? Or the police? He had seen the police only weeks before regarding another matter. Why didn't he confess to them?

Of course I believe I know why he chose to confess to me and not some one else. But have those people who think Bamber is innocent questioned why he confided in JM? And for those people who think JM to have lied; how did she lie about so much? Surely this would make her possibly disturbed/disordered? Which if this were the case surely she would not have been allowed to work with children.

I've often wondered if Jeremy Bamber said more to JM than was recorded in her statement? When SH confessed, his disclosures went on for some days/weeks after, and much of what he said wasn't about his crime of murder it was more to do with how he physically felt when he spoke about it.

It is from my own experiences that I do not doubt JM. And whilst I don't agree with some of her actions  following the murders; it's quite possible she has regretted such actions.

He had no choice to confess to Julie. She would have known anyway as he had spent 18 months telling her about his resentment and plans.

Telling Julie meant he could also threaten her and say she would be incriminated if she went to the police.

Did you believe 100% that SH was innocent ?

[Adam]

It comes as a massive blow when you've put your trust in someone and that someone then betrays that trust. JB had been genuinely concerned at what was going on at WHF and the closest person was,at that time,JM.
 Then,because of the strong influence of others to a young woman, was,or had appeared much stronger an " army " against one man she went where there had been strength in numbers and turned against the man that she had loved and deep down still did. The turning point in the relationship was when JB was seeing others and because of this,the wrath and revenge to hurt JB came into play and sadly went further than she'd anticipated though at the same time knowing that she was up to her neck in it and there was no turning back.

JM's voice must have seemed, and was the friendly voice on the other end of the phone and if he'd hadn't had JM,it would have been someone else,so yes,I believe him in that respect,that he'd wanted to share his feelings and emotions with someone who'd meant something to him. Anyone would have.
What better than hearing a familiar voice  at the most inopportune moment that it was at such an early hour ?  I just feel sad that nobody understands or understood JB and dare I say JM too,as both were very young and would never have thought about having to confront what they did.

It is good that you gave an opinion.

You disagree with the 2002 appeal judges that there was no justification in Bamber ringing Julie. Saying it is reasonable for Bamber to 'want to hear a friendly voice' and my 15 disadavantages do not negate this.

You also disagree with fellow supporters who say there is no justification in Bamber making this phone call. Apart from him acting irrationally in an unexpected situation.