Bamber 'wanting to hear a friendly voice'. At 3am.

[Adam]

For all we know he could have been looking to her for an answer to what to do.He'd appeared to somewhat rely on her because she was the stronger person of the two,having been more streetwise than he,etc. JB had had an entirely different background to JM as regards " dysfunction " and the like with her parents having parted company for whatever reason which possibly made JM grow up quicker than she normally would have as it does affect girls in this way.
Because his life had been sheltered in comparison before he moved house,I don't doubt that everything was done for him,as even when he moved,it was JM who was doing the decorating and tidying up,so he had relied on her even then.

He didn't say he rang Julie for advice. He said he rang her to 'hear a friendly voice'.

He had already been given advice by the police. And a request by Nevill - 'please come over'.

[Stephanie]

He had no choice to confess to Julie. She would have known anyway as he had spent 18 months telling her about his resentment and plans.

Telling Julie meant he could also threaten her and say she would be incriminated if she went to the police.

Did you believe 100% that SH was innocent ?

I agree Adam.

I did believe SH 100% innocent.

My doubts were raised when I learned he had lied about his movements on the night of the murder.
I then recall telling him a couple of months later he was behaving as though he were guilty.
With hindsight his guilt was there all along.

[Adam]

If Bamber phoned the police at 3:36am and spent 5-10 minutes on the call, it would now be 3:41am or 3:46am.

Meaning Bamber called Julie at nearly 4pm. Which is a long time after Julie and her flat mates said the call was made.

It would also mean he would not arrive at WHF until 5am.

[Adam]

One thing in Bamber's favour regarding calling Julie, is that he wasn't exactly rushing after getting Nevill's call.

By his own quoted times, he had waited 26 minutes before phoning Chelmsford police. So spending a few more minutes phoning Julie wouldn't make much difference 

[lebaleb]

He had no choice to confess to Julie. She would have known anyway as he had spent 18 months telling her about his resentment and plans.

Telling Julie meant he could also threaten her and say she would be incriminated if she went to the police.

Did you believe 100% that SH was innocent ?

Of course he had a choice, he could lie and tell her he did it or tell the truth that it was Sheila.

Julie testified that he said he didn't know what to do, so it must have been before calling the police. If someone calls one about something and says "I don't know what to do" I would say they were asking for advice.

[lookout]

My thoughts exactly,lebaleb.

[mike tesko]

Yep and SH had some of us believe the same about him. Until the Zenith burglary discovery. I argued publicly he wasn't streetwise. Of course he was streetwise! As was Jeremy Bamber. You only need look at his reasons he gave to the police for breaking into the caravan park.

You are totally wrong - Jeremy Bamber did not shoot his sister twice in the main bedroom and stage her death scene there in the bedroom, in an effort to fool police into thinking she had taken her own life after killing the others. Where do you get your information from to say that Jeremy must have killed her in the bedroom before he rang Julie Mugford? What we are dealing with here is police and CPS  corruption. What we have at the present moment in time, is something the jury which tried this case three decades ago didn't have. - a police message log version of the events, which contradicts the witness statement version of events. When you consider that crooked cops in that era did not make their own witness statements, I am sure the general public at large will readily agree that it is more likely that the police message log version of the events, is much more reliable than the witness statements, which had input from people not directly involved...

Bamber, for all his faults, did not shoot his sister, or kill her, or stage her death scene - but firearm cops, and those senior officers involved in the practice of 'informatives' did, aided and abbetted by SOCO...

[mike tesko]

How dare members of this forum ignore the now known facts, as opposed to the presentation of the facts in October 1985? Sheila was found in the main bedroom in possession of the rifle - they said Jeremy had shot her twice with the family owned rifle, and that he had staged his sister's death scene in an attempt to fool police into thinking king Sheila had taken her own life, after she had killed the others...
Sorry!!!

But that presentation was clearly wrong. Jeremy couldn't have shot Sheila at all, not in the kitchen or the bedroom. How could he possibly have shot his sister twice with use of the family rifle in the main bedroom prior to him calling the police (3.36am, or beforehand) if cops found Sheila in the main kitchen upon entry (7.37am, and 7.38am, which other police officers bought into that scenario, and not one of them has challenged what they believed to be true, despite three decades having  elapsed for any  for anyone of them to question ? Impossible, unlikely, ludicrous!!!

Police, and CPS corruption, that is what we are dealing with here, dishonesty of police officers and CPS officials...

I can't believe that members of this forum are trying to make out, that these bent evil cops and CPS did nothing wrong, of course they did the set of lying vile corrupted bastards. They hid the evidence which contradicted what they chose to say, at the expense of convicting Jeremy as the mass killer, offences for which he was not responsible. I suppose the general public at large is happy are they that these dishonest public servants have been draining public monies to pay these vile monsters for their dishonesty, and as the case may be, living off police pensions which every single last one of the bastards did not deserve to receive a penny of. What is to become of our Criminal Justice System when we have got some of our own members choosing to ignore true, basic, Contemporaneously recorded facts in these police message logs, in favour of fraudulent witness statement accounts prepared by the CPS, for criminal Cops to present as their own evidence, which they certainly did not make of their own free will...

Crooked cops, crooked CPS, crooked members of the public, and a crooked criminal justice system, run and operated by dishonest crooked people...

[mike tesko]

There are people who post on this forum, who would not know the truth if it hit them bang in the face - cops, CPS, and the Criminal Justice service in general, cannot do, or say anything at all wrong...

What a complete load of utter bollocks!!!

[mike tesko]

How many more times, do I have to keep reminding you all that Sheila was in the kitchen (7.37am), she was not one of the three bodies found upstairs by 8.10am, and the rifle could not have been with her body in the bedroom at 7.15am, because according to Jeapes, and Brown, the rifle was resting at a first floor window - hey, guess what, if the only rifle found upstairs was resting against a first floor window prior to firearm officers entering the farmhouse, how did it supposedly get onto Sheila's body to allow the firearm officers to find it with the body in accordance with the 'fabricated accounts of their witness statements'?

Let's hear you theories regarding this, so that I can comment upon it!!!

[mike tesko]

Julie Mugfords accounts were designed to make Jeremy's life, a living hell...

[mike tesko]

Neither Julie, nor the relatives, have shown any  interest in the fact that Sheila was in the kitchen (7.37am), not in the bedroom until after 8.10am, and the rifle at a first floor window from 7.15am. It damages their claims that Bamber killed his sister, and the others. They do not want to know what really happened to Sheila, all they are bothered about is that Bamber got convicted of the murders, just like they had said, and thought, and believed!!!

But, he did not shoot, or kill his sister in the bedroom with the rifle, or play any role in her death there. She couldn't have been one of the three bodies found upstairs by 8.10am, making it five dead in total by that stage ( the other two bodies, one male, one female, already found in the kitchen at 7.37am...

[mike tesko]

Neither Julie, nor the relatives, have shown any  interest in the fact that Sheila was in the kitchen (7.37am), not in the bedroom until after 8.10am, and the rifle at a first floor window from 7.15am. It damages their claims that Bamber killed his sister, and the others. They do not want to know what really happened to Sheila, all they are bothered about is that Bamber got convicted of the murders, just like they had said, and thought, and believed!!!

But, he did not shoot, or kill his sister in the bedroom with the rifle, or play any role in her death there. She couldn't have been one of the three bodies found upstairs by 8.10am, making it five dead in total by that stage ( the other two bodies, one male, one female, already found in the kitchen at 7.37am...

My take on Bambers potential involvement in any of these murders, is that Jeremy could have been his sister's accomplice in the killing of the other four, without him being physically present at the time any one of the other four victims had been shot and killed. If Bamber had been his sister's accomplice, it did not bode well for him to kill her...

[mike tesko]

My take on Bambers potential involvement in any of these murders, is that Jeremy could have been his sister's accomplice in the killing of the other four, without him being physically present at the time any one of the other four victims had been shot and killed. If Bamber had been his sister's accomplice, it did not bode well for him to kill her...

The 'absolute truth' is that Jeremy Bamber did not kill his sister, he did not stage her death scene on the main bedroom floor with the rifle from a first floor window, in an attempt to force police to think his sister had killed herself, after she had killed off the other four victims. Yet, Jeremy has been convicted of murdering these other four victims, by a reliance upon the finding of the jury that Jeremy had murdered his sister - in my book the facts relied upon to secure such a conviction, and convictions, does not add up, it doesn't make any sense, it's not factual...

[Roch]

My take on Bambers potential involvement in any of these murders, is that Jeremy could have been his sister's accomplice in the killing of the other four, without him being physically present at the time any one of the other four victims had been shot and killed. If Bamber had been his sister's accomplice, it did not bode well for him to kill her...

The wording here is a bit ambiguous Mike.  What exactly do you mean?