The only opportunity Bamber had to kill his sister, was after 8.10am!!!

[lookout]

I withdraw it if it has caused offence. The fact was he wanted her alone for some reason.

Not at all Steve.It's I who's the worst offender in all things offensive.

[mike tesko]

So, according to Julie Mugford, Jeremy had been planning to kill his entire family for a year, by drugging them, burning them whilst they were deeply under the influence of Julie's drugs, yet not once until September does she introduce mention of a hitman who had carried out the murders on Jeremy's say so, 'Mathew' was the hitmans name, 'Mathew McDonald'. So, where in the previous year, had Mathew come into the equation? We never did get an answer from Julie concerning this. If the truth be known, the hitman theory stemmed from police knowlege that Jeremy himself had not killed his sister.

In September 1985, it became a case of the cops 'fessing up' to the role they played in Sheila's death, and admitting to lying to the Deputy Coroner at the opening of the inquests, or try to pin the blame onto somebody else.

Jeremy was not really high on their radar at the time of his first arrest, hence why cops were interested in hearing from Julie of any possible accomplice, or hitman. Not surprisingly, Julie did not introduce names of any of the drug dealers, and drug offenders who lived in rooms as the same apartment as herself. 'Mathew, could have done it', she volunteered, 'Mathew McDonald', she said, 'he has a reputation locally as being a mercenary', said she, 'he could have done it', adding, 'he knows Jeremy'...

[Steve_uk]

So, according to Julie Mugford, Jeremy had been planning to kill his entire family for a year, by drugging them, burning them whilst they were deeply under the influence of Julie's drugs, yet not once until September does she introduce mention of a hitman who had carried out the murders on Jeremy's say so, 'Mathew' was the hitmans name, 'Mathew McDonald'. So, where in the previous year, had Mathew come into the equation? We never did get an answer from Julie concerning this. If the truth be known, the hitman theory stemmed from police knowlege that Jeremy himself had not killed his sister.

In September 1985, it became a case of the cops 'fessing up' to the role they played in Sheila's death, and admitting to lying to the Deputy Coroner at the opening of the inquests, or try to pin the blame onto somebody else.

Jeremy was not really high on their radar at the time of his first arrest, hence why cops were interested in hearing from Julie of any possible accomplice, or hitman. Not surprisingly, Julie did not introduce names of any of the drug dealers, and drug offenders who lived in rooms as the same apartment as herself. 'Mathew, could have done it', she volunteered, 'Mathew McDonald', she said, 'he has a reputation locally as being a mercenary', said she, 'he could have done it', adding, 'he knows Jeremy'...

It was Jeremy who introduced the idea of the hitman as proxy killer to make it appear that he himself did not execute the evil deeds, thinking that this would somehow mitigate the acts themselves. I don't accept that Police were only half-heartedly interested in him because why else would DCI Taff Jones be entrusted with first crack of the whip with him?

[lookout]

Steve,what is hard for me to understand is how a sergeant usurped and over-rode what a DCI with over 30 years service plus 10 commendments under his belt, knew. Was SJ looking for promotion ? Because what he did was certainly for his own ends with no thought for someone who was about to undergo a death sentence on an innocent man. For sure,if we'd still had the death penalty SJ would have seen to it that JB was got rid of without a second thought.   

[mike tesko]

It was Jeremy who introduced the idea of the hitman as proxy killer to make it appear that he himself did not execute the evil deeds, thinking that this would somehow mitigate the acts themselves. I don't accept that Police were only half-heartedly interested in him because why else would DCI Taff Jones be entrusted with first crack of the whip with him?

No, Jeremy didn't introduce the hitman story. It was all Julie's own work. She made it all up because of the scruffy looking man seen walking away from the grounds of the farmhouse just before the first group of firearm officers arrived at the scene in response to PS Bews SOS call after the sighting of the silhouetted figure at the same first floor window the family owned rifle was later photographed at (23). Cops knew how Sheila had died, but they were uncertain whether or not she had killed the others all by herself, or if someone else had been her accomplice. Cops were certain there was someone else at the farmhouse that night because, (a) PC Myall had seen an unidentified male at the farmhouse, at around 3.45am, (b) the sighting of the silhouetted figure at the first floor window, (c) the sighting of a scruffy looking hunched man seen walking away from the farmhouse in the grounds about an hour after police first arrived at the scene (d) sighting of rifle at first floor window prior to entry being forced (e) one dead female in kitchen along with body of Ralph Bamber at 7.37am, (f) only three bodies upstairs by 8.10am, five dead in total, (g) Dr Craig pronouncing Sheila dead upstairs in main bedroom at 8.44am, making total bodies upstairs having increased by one, from three (8.10am) to four (8.44am)...

Cops knew that Jeremy was not the unidentified male seen by PC Myall at the farmhouse at (a), that Jeremy was not the silhouetted figure seen moving around at a first floor window (b), nor was Jeremy the scruffy looking hunched man seen walking away from the farmhouse at (c) Jeremy hadn't placed the rifle at the first floor window at (d), Jeremy couldn't have shot and killed his sister upstairs in the bedroom any time until after 8.10am, as per (e), nor shot and killed her downstairs if Dr Craig pronounced her death upstairs in the bedroom at (g). How had Jeremy managed to mastermind these shootings when all along he was in the company of police at all these key crucial times. There had to be an accomplice involved in the deaths of the other four victims, and that person must have been the hitman...

The facts speak for themselves...

[mike tesko]

Cops didn't just pick on Mathew McDonald in September 1985, they looked at two other Mathews in their hunt...