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Be careful folks hoovering is a manipulation technique of a disordered individual. The below doesn't apply to just ex-partners - it applies to everyone!



“Hoovering” is a term describing a ploy that occurs when someone with a personality disorder tries to suck an ex partner back towards them after a period of separation.

It often happens when the realisation hits the hooverer that the person they nonchalantly walked away from has garnered some strength, is doing just fine and building up with their life after having broken free from a toxic entanglement.

This form of mind-game playing can happen after a week, a month or shockingly even years after a relationship has broken down. They will just try to walk straight back into their past life without a single care for the destruction they left behind.

The reason people, usually narcissists, hoover is so that they can top themselves up with a vital supply of energy. Their intention is to suck the energy from someone who they know is still vulnerable to their advances and who is very easy to cast a spell over.

This often happens when a hooverer is at a low point in their life and they need a quick-fix so they look for the easiest and quickest source.

It won’t matter whether the person who is doing the hoovering is in a serious relationship, has just broken out from one or whether the person they are now hunting down was someone they left devastated by the wayside when they ventured out to seek newer pastures.

Moral code does not come into question when hooverers are desperately seeking a top up. They will shamelessly try to gather up the fragmented pieces right where they left off with no regard as to the emotional or psychological damage that might have been caused to, or will cause, anyone who may be involved.

They determinedly want to lure their victim back in and weave them into their maliciously spun web so that their prey is cocooned within the illusion that a reconciliation will take place. Then, the devastating dynamic can begin once again.

http://www.elephantjournal.com/2016/01/how-to-know-if-someone-is-hoovering-you/
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Re: 'Tis the season disordered individuals apply the hoover manoeuvre
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2016, 05:54:PM »
I highly recommend posters click on the link to the above article and read it in its entirety.

And be remind it applies to everyone.


SH hoovered after his confession.

Before the media ran with the story of his guilt, I recall him saying to me he was going to phone his ex-girlfriend in order to apologise to her. I was dumbfounded. He hadn't yet apologised to me, or anyone else for that matter and more importantly he never made one reference to his victim.

I was concerned for his ex girlfriend as I knew how convincing he could be and I also knew she, along with others, had an agenda of their own. The recent box of letters I received from the police confirm this.

SH hoovered anyone who would listen to him, including his parents - though his father was having none of it and according to SH letter's, his father would hang up on him if he ever tried to telephone his house.

It's clear now as it was then, SH had no real friends, though hardly surprising considering the way he treated people.

It is my belief his supply ran out before he chose to end his life. He had made a couple of 'friends' in prison but by the time they realised why he was in prison, and some of the details of his crime, they too didn't want to know him.

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Re: 'Tis the season disordered individuals apply the hoover manoeuvre
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2016, 06:31:PM »
More on the hoover manoeuvre


Narcissists and Borderlines need to obtain their psychological “supply” from another person. The most common tactic for manipulating a person to become involved in the N’s or B’s craziness has become known as the “hoover”. The hoover appears most commonly after the person has established low-contact (LC) or no-contact (NC) relationship boundaries which close off the N’s or B’s psychological supply. This chapter describes the many and well-crafted varieties of “hoover” that a person might see in the wilderness of N and B behaviour.
It is important to note that most Hoovers are delivered by Proxies, the enmeshed or codependent people whom N or B lies to in order to enlist them in the hoovering. A typical example is:

https://www.reddit.com/r/raisedbynarcissists/comments/2jo9kg/hoovers_a_spotters_guide_to_the_npdbpd_hoover_in/
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Re: 'Tis the season disordered individuals apply the hoover manoeuvre
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2016, 06:35:PM »
The literature on the subject of narcissistic abuse recovery is replete with pseudonyms for various circumstances involving a person with narcissism. One such concept is “hoovering” by the emotionally abusive person. When the cycle of “idealize, devalue, discard” is complete, a person with narcissistic qualities will often return to prior sources of narcissistic supply to see if he or she can tap such individuals for more ego-fueling attention, emotional reaction, sex, money, business advantages, a place to live, or other affirmations of his or her existence. “Hoover maneuver” was coined after the name of a popular vacuum cleaner, alluding to the fact abusers often attempt to suction up narcissistic supply from prior sources (people).

Individuals who have narcissistic tendencies typically lack solid, healthy self-concepts and must extract narcissistic supply from lovers, friends, colleagues, and/or family members to feel affirmed, adored, admired, attended to, nurtured, feared, or despised. Positive or negative, the reaction doesn’t matter, as long as the abusive person can excise a response from a target’s reservoir of emotional sustenance, thus rendering the abusive person “alive” by virtue of having his or her false self acknowledged.http://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/hoover-maneuver-the-dirty-secret-of-emotional-abuse-0219154
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Re: 'Tis the season disordered individuals apply the hoover manoeuvre
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2016, 07:34:PM »
'Tis the Season for the drunk and " disorderly " of society,along with the Murderous Drink and Drive sub-humans.

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Re: 'Tis the season disordered individuals apply the hoover manoeuvre
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2016, 07:39:PM »
'Tis the Season for the drunk and " disorderly " of society,along with the Murderous Drink and Drive sub-humans.

Yep and seems you surround yourself with them.. ::)
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« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2016, 07:40:PM »
Yep and seems you surround yourself with them.. ::)



What's that supposed to mean ?

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« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2016, 09:27:PM »
That site's a no no according to my MacAfee.

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« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2016, 09:28:PM »


What's that supposed to mean ?

Like many abusers Lookout, Jeremy Bamber triangulates others, with others.
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« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2016, 09:32:PM »
"In popular culture, the term “narcissistic” is thrown about quite loosely, usually referring to vanity and self-absorption. This reduces narcissism to a common quality that everyone possesses and downplays the symptoms demonstrated by people with the actual disorder. While narcissism does exist on a spectrum, narcissism as a full-fledged personality disorder is quite different.

People who meet the criteria for Narcissistic Personality Disorder or those who have traits of Antisocial Personality Disorder  can operate in extremely manipulative ways within the context of intimate relationships due to their deceitfulness, lack of empathy and their tendency to be interpersonally exploitative. Although I will be focusing on narcissistic abusers in this post, due to the overlap of symptoms in these two disorders, this post can potentially apply to interactions with those who have ASPD to an extent.

It’s important in any kind of relationship that we learn to identify the red flags when interacting with people who display malignant narcissism and/or antisocial traits, so we can better protect ourselves from exploitation and abuse, set boundaries, and make informed decisions about who we keep in our lives. Understanding the nature of these toxic interactions and how they affect us has an enormous impact on our ability to engage in self-care.

Watch out for the following covert manipulation tactics when you’re dating someone or in a relationship.

1. The Idealization-Devaluation-Discard Phase

Narcissists and those with antisocial traits tend to subject romantic partners through three phases within a relationship. The idealization phase (which often happens most strongly during the early stages of dating or a relationship) consists of putting you on a pedestal, making you the center of his/her world, being in contact with you frequently, and showering you with flattery and praise. You are convinced that the narcissist can’t live without you and that you’ve met your soulmate. Be wary of: constant texting, shallow flattery and wanting to be around you at all times. This is a technique known as “lovebombing” and it is how most victims get sucked in: they are tired of the “games” people play with each other in communication and are flattered by the constant attention they get from the narcissist. You may be fooled into thinking that this means a narcissist is truly interested in you, when in fact, he or she is interested in making you dependent on their constant praise and attention.

The devaluation phase is subsequent to this idealization phase, and this is when you’re left wondering why you were so abruptly thrust off the pedestal. The narcissist will suddenly start to blow hot and cold, criticizing you, covertly and overtly putting you down, comparing you to others, emotionally withdrawing from you and giving you the silent treatment when you’ve failed to meet their “standards.” Since the “hot” aspect of this phase relies on intermittent reinforcement in which the narcissist gives you inconsistent spurts of the idealization phase throughout, you become convinced that perhaps you are at fault and you can “control” the narcissist’s reactions.

Even though the narcissist can be quite possessive and jealous over you, since he or she views you as an object and a source of narcissistic supply, the narcissist is prone to projecting this same behavior onto you. The narcissist makes you seem like the needy one as you react to his or her withdrawal and withholding patterns even though the expectations of frequent contact were established early on in the relationship by the narcissist himself.

You are mislead into thinking that if you just learn not to be so “needy,” “clingy,” or “jealous,”  the narcissist will reward you with the loving behavior he or she demonstrated in the beginning. The narcissist may use these and other similar words to gaslight victims when they react normally to being provoked. It’s a way to maintain control over your legitimate emotional reactions to their stonewalling, emotional withdrawal and inconsistency.

Unfortunately, it is during the devaluation phase that a narcissist’s true self shows itself. You have to understand that the man or woman in the beginning of the relationship never truly existed. The true colors are only now beginning to show, so it will be a struggle as you attempt to reconcile the image that the narcissist presented to you with his or her current behavior.

During the discard phase, the narcissist abandons his or her victim in the most horrific, demeaning way possible to convince the victim that he or she is worthless. This could range from: leaving the victim for another lover, humiliating the victim in public, being physically aggressive and a whole range of other demeaning behaviors to communicate to the victim that he or she is no longer important.

2. Gaslighting.

Most abusive relationships contain a certain amount of gaslighting, a technique narcissists use to convince you that your perception of the abuse is inaccurate. During the devaluation and discard phases, the narcissist will often remark upon your emotional instability, your “issues,” and displace blame of his/her abuse as your fault. Frequent use of phrases such as “You provoked me,” “You’re too sensitive,” “I never said that,” or “You’re taking things too seriously” after the narcissists’ abusive outbursts are common and are used to gaslight you into thinking that the abuse is indeed your fault or that it never even took place.

Narcissists are masters of making you doubt yourself and the abuse. This is why victims so often suffer from ruminations after the ending of a relationship with a narcissist, because the emotional invalidation they received from the narcissist made them feel powerless in their agency and perceptions. This self-doubt enables them to stay within abusive relationships even when it’s clear that the relationship is a toxic one, because they are led to mistrust their own instincts and interpretations of events.

3. Smear campaigns.

Narcissists keep harems because they love to have their egos stroked and they need constant validation from the outside world to feed their need for excessive admiration and confirm their grandiose sense of s
elf-importance. They are clever chameleons who are also people-pleasers, morphing into whatever personality suits them in situations with different types of people. It is no surprise, then, that the narcissist begins a smear campaign against you not too long after the discard phase, in order to paint you as the unstable one, and that this is usually successful with the narcissist’s support network which also tends to consist of other narcissists, people-pleasers, empaths, as well as people who are easily charmed.

This smear campaign accomplishes three things: 1) it depicts you as the abuser or unstable person and deflects your accusations of abuse, 2) it provokes you, thus proving your instability to others when trying to argue his or her depiction of you, and 3) serves as a hoovering technique in which the narcissist seeks to pull you back into the trauma of the relationship as you struggle to reconcile the rumors about you with who you actually are by speaking out against the accusations. The only way to not get pulled into this tactic is by going full No Contact with both the narcissist and his or her harem.

4. Triangulation.

Healthy relationships thrive on security; unhealthy ones are filled with provocation, uncertainty and infidelity. Narcissists like to manufacture love triangles and bring in the opinions of others to validate their point of view. They do this to an excessive extent in order to play puppeteer to your emotions. In the book Psychopath Free by Peace, the method of triangulation is discussed as a popular way the narcissist maintains control over your emotions. Triangulation consists of bringing the presence of another person into the dynamic of the relationship, whether it be an ex-lover, a current mistress, a relative, or a complete stranger.

This triangulation can take place over social media, in person, or even through the narcissist’s own verbal accounts of the other woman or man. The narcissist relies on jealousy as a powerful emotion that can cause you to compete for his or her affections, so provocative statements like “I wish you’d be more like her,” or “He wants me back into his life, I don’t know what to do” are designed to trigger the abuse victim into competing and feeling insecure about his or her position in the narcissist’s life.

Unlike healthy relationships where jealousy is communicated and dealt with in a productive manner, the narcissist will belittle your feelings and continue inappropriate flirtations and affairs without a second thought. Triangulation is the way the narcissist maintains control and keeps you in check – you’re so busy competing for his or her attention that you’re less likely to be focusing on the red flags within the relationship or looking for ways to get out of the relationship.

5. The false self and the true self.

The narcissist hides behind the armor of a “false self,” a construct of qualities and traits that he or she usually presents to the outside world. Due to this armor, you are unlikely to comprehend the full extent of a narcissist’s inhumanity and lack of empathy until you are in the discard phase. This can make it difficult to pinpoint who the narcissistic abuser truly is – the sweet, charming and seemingly remorseful person that appears shortly after the abuse, or the abusive partner who ridicules, invalidates and belittles you on a daily basis? You suffer a great deal of cognitive dissonance trying to reconcile the illusion the narcissist first presented to you with the tormenting behaviors he or she subjects you to. In order to cope with this cognitive dissonance, you might blame yourself for his or her abusive behavior and attempt to “improve” yourself when you have done nothing wrong, just to uphold your belief in the narcissist’s false self during the devaluation phase.

During the discard phase, the narcissist reveals the true self – the genuinely abusive and abrasive personality beneath the shallow veneer rears its ugly head and you get a glimpse of the cruelty that was lurking within all along. You bear witness to his or her cold, callous indifference as you are discarded. You might think this is only a momentary lapse into inhumanity, but actually, it is as close you will ever get to seeing the narcissist’s true self.

The manipulative, conniving charm that existed in the beginning is no more – instead, it is replaced by the genuine contempt that the narcissist felt for you all along. See, narcissists don’t truly feel empathy or love for others – so during the discard phase, they feel absolutely nothing for you except the excitement of having exhausted another source of supply. You were just another source of supply, so do not fool yourself into thinking that the magical connection that existed in the beginning was in any way real. It was an illusion, much like the identity of the narcissist was an illusion.

https://selfcarehaven.wordpress.com/2014/07/21/five-powerful-ways-abusive-narcissists-get-inside-your-head/
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Re: 'Tis the season disordered individuals apply the hoover manoeuvre
« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2016, 09:37:PM »
http://www.mdjunction.com/forums/bipolar-spouses-discussions/general-support/10423260-have-you-been-hoovered

"Hoovering takes on many disguises. You can expect contact at the following times:

Before or During Holidays


Expect calls, e-mails, surprise visits, cards and gifts for you and your children, possibly sent along with other people. Especially on birthdays, Christmas Eve, and Christmas Day, if you really want to enjoy a nice, peaceful holiday with your loved ones, make sure you lock the door, take your phone off the hook, plug in the electric fence, pull up the drawbridge, and throw the crocodiles in the moat. A word to the wise.

Big Occasions

Expect birthday cards for you and your children, invitations to your abuser's anniversary, wedding, retirement, or birthday party, and calls “informing” you of other relatives' weddings, births of babies, etc.
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Re: 'Tis the season disordered individuals apply the hoover manoeuvre
« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2016, 10:06:PM »
Thank God my life is far removed from all that claptrap. It's quite boring in comparison really.

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Re: 'Tis the season disordered individuals apply the hoover manoeuvre
« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2016, 10:09:PM »
The only manoeuvre that I was involved in was of the Heimlich kind.

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Re: 'Tis the season disordered individuals apply the hoover manoeuvre
« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2016, 10:30:PM »
Thank God my life is far removed from all that claptrap. It's quite boring in comparison really.

The only manoeuvre that I was involved in was of the Heimlich kind.

If you are still writing to Bamber Lookout; you are in the thick of all that claptrap.

And he'll be hoovering you and others this Christmas...
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