Jeremy Bamber and the Pity Play..

[Caroline]

Is it denial, or a lack of understanding and knowledge? I'm unsure. I questioned this when SH confessed.

Many people are lead by their own emotions and personal experiences and indeed agenda's. It's all there in the Simon Hall confession thread.

There weren't many posters who accepted the confession for what it was.

In this instance, I believe it's denial. People make excuses to argue innocence, I did it myself - didn't even realise I was doing that until I started to have doubts.

[Stephanie]

In this instance, I believe it's denial. People make excuses to argue innocence, I did it myself - didn't even realise I was doing that until I started to have doubts.

I was obviously in denial when I learned SH had lied about his movements on that fateful night. I was in denial for around 8 months.  Though I didn't stop asking him questions and calling him out when I caught him in a lie or contradicting himself.

I even remained in denial when his brother boldly posted about his guilty early on in 2013.

SH suggested he'd been in denial for all those years. He tried to convince me that he's fed into his own lies and started to believe them. Another crock! 

[Caroline]

Did you see Bambers letter to Trudie dated 10th October? What do you make of it?

I did see it, will have to reread it though but on memory, it didn't strike me as very enthusiastic.

[Caroline]

I was obviously in denial when I learned SH had lied about his movements on that fateful night. I was in denial for around 8 months.  Though I didn't stop asking him questions and calling him out when I caught him in a lie or contradicting himself.

I even remained in denial when his brother boldly posted about his guilty early on in 2013.

SH suggested he'd been in denial for all those years. He tried to convince me that he's fed into his own lies and started to believe them. Another crock! 

I guess if you invest in something (and you had invested a lot more than just time), you have to protect that investment. Who wants to believe they have been supporting a murderer? Hard to come to terms with. However, this is just a forum where people have no emotional involvement with Bamber but I suspect you more than anyone, understand how denial creeps in even when there are nagging doubts. I guess the doubts have to be strong enough that the denial becomes obvious and you just can't sustain it any more. That's about when I realised I couldn't support innocence any more.

[Stephanie]

Scip hasn't changed his guilty stance - he just got bored and has interests in another case.

Though I'm sure, like me and many others, Scipio would be prepared to write an application to the CCRC to ensure Jeremy Bamber's psychology reports are scrutinised and taken into consideration, before any appeal application is considered. Not that I believe it will ever come to that.

[Jane]

It's well I remain pertinacious !

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[Stephanie]

I'm sure there is an older trick than that Lookout. Still not sure what you mean though. No one needs to do an inside job on the CT, they do themselves more harm with silly gimmicks.

But the real harm is being caused by Jeremy Bamber. He is the predator, the CT are his prey. I imagine some of them work flat out; or did - until he drained them of everything they had. I also imagine they are doing a lot of what they are doing, not only based on their initiative but on the the subtle, and not so subtle clues Bamber will be making to them. They are his puppets, as I once was. They are supply, nothing more nothing less.

Bamber will be praising them for any 'gimmick' as it gives him entertainment. It feeds his extreme narcissism; and his empty core. 

[David1819]

But the real harm is being caused by Jeremy Bamber. He is the predator, the CT are his prey. I imagine some of them work flat out; or did - until he drained them of everything they had. I also imagine they are doing a lot of what they are doing, not only based on their initiative but on the the subtle, and not so subtle clues Bamber will be making to them. They are his puppets, as I once was. They are supply, nothing more nothing less.

Jeremy Bamber is NOT Simon Hall

[Stephanie]

Jeremy Bamber is NOT Simon Hall

A psychopath is a psychopath regardless of any name they answer to. They are all dead inside David.

[mike tesko]

Police records confirm that Sheila was present in the kitchen (7.37and 7.38am), and that her body was not upstairs in any bedroom by 8.10am. Additionally the rifle which was later photographed in Sheila's possession by 'DC 'Oakey (25) and PC Bird (26, onward) was confirmed resting against a first floor window by 7.15am...

No lies, no bullshit, but good old fashioned police records, containing information which the cops and the CPS daren't risk informing the jury which tried the matter about...

Why?

[lebaleb]

Craig described the blood as dried and cracked with proves she hadn't JUST died.

I agree. IMO dried blood shows she had been dead for at least one hour. But lack of rigor and only early stage lividity shows she had not been dead more than six hours before the time of the photos. That makes it some time after 4 am.

[Jan]

I can never understand why no one tested what actually could be heard from outside that house . If she had been alive when the police arrived could she have laid down on the bedroom floor and shot herself without being heard from outside? It's all speculation to say yes or no because like the window farce as far as I know it was never proven either way to the jury .

[Jan]

Also would just like to say if you are getting into mental illness arguments , no two people are the same . You can make assumptions from research but that is all. It was always said Sheila would never kill her children , but she specifically was afraid she was a threat to them and there is not proof that Jeremy had any idea at all about private conversations she had with her doctor. Today there was a sad story where a man told his doctor he had visions of killing his wife and daughter but he would never do it as he loved them dearly the doctor told him to carry a photo of his daughter around to remind him of what he had. Unfortunately he then drowned his six year old daughter and the family dogs. He had never been violent before. So for every you case you can bring up about mental illness there will be another one to contradict it . The only proof you have about Jeremy's mental illness is that he is guilty in the eyes of the law. Or has he had a definitive medical diagnosis from someone who has actually met him?

[Caroline]

I can never understand why no one tested what actually could be heard from outside that house . If she had been alive when the police arrived could she have laid down on the bedroom floor and shot herself without being heard from outside? It's all speculation to say yes or no because like the window farce as far as I know it was never proven either way to the jury .

How could they not hear her? The window was open.

[Stephanie]

The only proof you have about Jeremy's mental illness is that he is guilty in the eyes of the law. Or has he had a definitive medical diagnosis from someone who has actually met him?

A personality disorder is not a mental illness; neither is psychopathy!