Jeremy Bamber and the Pity Play..

[David1819]

You're the biggest manipulator on this board David - either post the pictures or stop posting claims you can't back up. The claims that the Giovanni picture is genuine, sounds much the same as the picture of Sheila on the bed.

Now the facade of moronic gif files are being used once again. Awww, am I upsetting you?

Not upset but rather annoyed. Annoyed at -

A) wrongly accusing Andrew Hunter of misleading people of the photos of Sheila's feet.

B) wrongly accusing me of lying over access to the photos.

[Stephanie]

Not upset but rather annoyed. Annoyed at -

A) wrongly accusing Andrew Hunter of misleading people of the photos of Sheila's feet.

B) wrongly accusing me of lying over access to the photos.

David, has Andrew Hunter said something to you in order for you to feel you need to say something on a public forum?

a) Yes

b) No

Here's the thing, if Andrew Hunter has photo's that he (and you?) thinks will clear Jeremy Bambers name and/or cast doubt, why hasn't he put them in the public domain? Why wait any longer? What's he waiting for? Another 31 years?

I'm not up to speed with the ins and outs of this however as an outside observer, surely even you can see why we are sceptical?

[David1819]

David, has Andrew Hunter said something to you in order for you to feel you need to say something on a public forum?

a) Yes

b) No

Ages ago Andrew Hunter released photos of Sheila's feet. Caroline was accusing him of lying. So I put the record straight on that.

I was also accused of lying also. So I put the record straight on that.

Here's the thing, if Andrew Hunter has photo's that he (and you?) thinks will clear Jeremy Bambers name and/or cast doubt, why hasn't he put them in the public domain? Why wait any longer? What's he waiting for? Another 31 years?

I'm not up to speed with the ins and outs of this however as an outside observer, surely even you can see why we are sceptical?

The photo has been in the public domain since 2005. Its been submitted to the CCRC but they just found excuses because the system is not going to admit to such an epic fail.

[Caroline]

Ages ago Andrew Hunter released photos of Sheila's feet. Caroline was accusing him of lying. So I put the record straight on that.

I was also accused of lying also. So I put the record straight on that.

The photo has been in the public domain since 2005. Its been submitted to the CCRC but they just found excuses because the system is not going to admit to such an epic fail.

Were did I accuse him of lying or misleading anyone? Get your facts right! http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7207.msg342035.html#msg342035

Until you post the picture you claim to have, your claims are no more credible than other claims made here in respect to Sheila on the bed.

[Stephanie]

Ages ago Andrew Hunter released photos of Sheila's feet. Caroline was accusing him of lying. So I put the record straight on that.

I was also accused of lying also. So I put the record straight on that.

The photo has been in the public domain since 2005. Its been submitted to the CCRC but they just found excuses because the system is not going to admit to such an epic fail.

Were did I accuse him of lying or misleading anyone? Get your facts right! http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7207.msg342035.html#msg342035

Until you post the picture you claim to have, your claims are no more credible than other claims made here in respect to Sheila on the bed.

So there are no pictures then!

[Caroline]

So there are no pictures then!

No idea, he seems to have pictures that aren't on this forum, but whether he has a picture that PROVES Sheila had blood 'running' from her neck wounds (which also includes her face), remains to be seen. If it existed, this would go a long way to support that Sheila hadn't been dead as long as the others and could sway the balance in the favour of innocence. Which is why I can't believe someone would sit on it - unless it was nothing like the build up they had given it.

[Stephanie]

No idea, he seems to have pictures that aren't on this forum, but whether he has a picture that PROVES Sheila had blood 'running' from her neck wounds (which also includes her face), remains to be seen. If it existed, this would go a long way to support that Sheila hadn't been dead as long as the others and could sway the balance in the favour of innocence. Which is why I can't believe someone would sit on it - unless it was nothing like the build up they had given it.

It doesn't exist Caroline!

And even if a picture could support Sheila having not been dead as long as the other victims, the conclusion could be as simple as - she was murdered last.

[Roch]

I don't think any of the photos blown up at lab prior to the last CCRC application were/are allowed to be released in to the public domain.  Not sure if the alleged photo being discussed on here falls within that remit.

[David1819]

No idea, he seems to have pictures that aren't on this forum, but whether he has a picture that PROVES Sheila had blood 'running' from her neck wounds (which also includes her face), remains to be seen. If it existed, this would go a long way to support that Sheila hadn't been dead as long as the others and could sway the balance in the favour of innocence. Which is why I can't believe someone would sit on it - unless it was nothing like the build up they had given it.

I'm not sitting on anything new. Its nothing the CCRC does not already have or seen. It would not make any difference if I post it or not.

People claimed (without a shred of evidence) that the photo already available is a forgery.
I have no doubt that same would happen if another was posted.

[Stephanie]

I don't think any of the photos blown up at lab prior to the last CCRC application were/are allowed to be released in to the public domain.  Not sure if the alleged photo being discussed on here falls within that remit.

That makes sense Roch.

And to save me from searching,  can you confirm the CCRC had possession of these and didn't think they were of any evidential value?

[Stephanie]

I'm not sitting on anything new. Its nothing the CCRC does not already have or seen. It would not make any difference if I post it or not.

People claimed (without a shred of evidence) that the photo already available is a forgery.
I have no doubt that same would happen if another was posted.

Thanks for clarifying David.

[Roch]

That makes sense Roch.

And to save me from searching,  can you confirm the CCRC had possession of these and didn't think they were of any evidential value?

From what I can recall, JB claimed that EP were "gutted" that the photos were released - as there was considerable evidential value contained within them.  The defence had a considerable and prolonged fight to obtain the photos.  Many prior excuses had been given as to why they could not be released or obtained.

However, I cannot say whether this would answer your query about the alleged photo that David and Caroline may be disagreeing on.

[Caroline]

I'm not sitting on anything new. Its nothing the CCRC does not already have or seen. It would not make any difference if I post it or not.

People claimed (without a shred of evidence) that the photo already available is a forgery.
I have no doubt that same would happen if another was posted.

If it doesn't include Sheila's face, I certainly wouldn't give it ANY credence.

[Caroline]

From what I can recall, JB claimed that EP were "gutted" that the photos were released - as there was considerable evidential value contained within them.  The defence had a considerable and prolonged fight to obtain the photos.  Many prior excuses had been given as to why they could not be released or obtained.

However, I cannot say whether this would answer your query about the alleged photo that David and Caroline may be disagreeing on.

I'm just talking about this picture 'A'. I don't believe that it hasn't been enhanced because it is at odds with picture B. I think A and B are the 'same' picture but a section has been lifted from B to make a new picture (A) and the red hue has been lifted to make the blood look fresher. The blood around Sheila's mouth is dried, blackened and cracked on picture - this point was confirmed by Dr Craig, who noted this when he pronounced death. She clearly had stopped bleeding long before Craig saw her, so how can fresh blood be flowing from her neck wounds when she was 'later' photographed by Bird? Picture B paints a very different picture but I believe a truer one.

A

B

[David1819]

Were did I accuse him of lying or misleading anyone? Get your facts right! http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7207.msg342035.html#msg342035

Yes you did.

defo June's foot but Andrew Hunter claimed it was Sheila's.

If the photo is "defo June's foot" and Andrew Hunter claimed its Sheila's your saying he is lying or he is stupid. Either way your wrong.

It's a utter joke to believe that is Sheila's foot.

Its an utter joke to take you seriously. You refuse to answer the question why you believe Jeremy is guilty nor do you provide any evidence to show that he is. But just make up nonsense like this