JB's Recent blog about time on remand; nothing to do with his time on remand

[lookout]

You don't seem to like the fact that I compare JB to SH? I recognise similar behaviours in them; both in relation to their cases and the persona's they have projected since their convictions.

You appear to get aggressive and take opposing views/opinions personally? Why is that?

Can't I have an opinion then ? You seem to be very opinionated when it comes to comparisons between JB and SH ? No,I'm not aggressive,it's that I can't understand your logic.

[Stephanie]

Can't I have an opinion then ? You seem to be very opinionated when it comes to comparisons between JB and SH ? No,I'm not aggressive,it's that I can't understand your logic.

I merely draw upon my experiences Lookout and make comparisons where I see them. You conclude in your mind that I am opinionated. That's fine. But it takes us away from the debate.

Maybe you don't understand my logic because of your strong bias towards innocence? I also have experience of this. I too once believed a convicted murderer was innocent.

It wasn't confirmed until after the death of SH that we had met in the February 2002, some 2 months after he had murdered. From my recollections, his behaviour appeared normal. He appeared like a nice, decent, funny guy. But he was a murderer. I didn't know then that people who are capable of murder could behave so normal. That they can blend in and appear to be no different from members of society who do not murder.

What is your definition of a murderer?

The facts are that murderers appear kind, funny, compassionate, intelligent and look and act no different to you or I... 

[David1819]

Maybe you don't understand my logic because of your strong bias towards innocence? I also have experience of this. I too once believed a convicted murderer was innocent.

I don't blame you for not buying protests of innocence. But you should still take every case on its own merits.

I believe Mark Lundy, Darlie Routier and Dennis Dechaine are all guilty. Evidence is overwhelming despite their continual protests.

The facts are that murderers appear kind, funny, compassionate, intelligent and look and act no different to you or I...

Anyone and everyone is capable of murder (if the conditions are right)

[Steve_uk]

I don't blame you for not buying protests of innocence. But you should still take every case on its own merits.

I believe Mark Lundy, Darlie Routier and Dennis Dechaine are all guilty. Evidence is overwhelming despite their continual protests.


Anyone and everyone is capable of murder (if the conditions are right)

In self-defence maybe, but then that would be manslaughter, not murder. As for Jeremy Bamber, he has no incentive to confess as he has a life tariff anyway.

[Stephanie]

I don't blame you for not buying protests of innocence. But you should still take every case on its own merits.

I believe Mark Lundy, Darlie Routier and Dennis Dechaine are all guilty. Evidence is overwhelming despite their continual protests.


Anyone and everyone is capable of murder (if the conditions are right)

I have looked at Jeremy Bamber's case on it's own merits and have looked at the case with an open mind. I am not bias because of SH's confession. I recognise very similar behaviours in relation to JB and SH - both in the way they present their alleged innocence (Cases) and the way in which they behave and interact.

It isn't about whether or not anyone or everyone is capable of murder it's about the individual who has committed the murder; the hows, why's wheres etc? It's about their psychological make up. What makes them tick. Their are many factors involved.

Accidentally knocking someone over and killing that person is far different from shooting 5 family members (Including 2 children).

Have you read George Orwell's 1984 David? Do you recall the term "doublethink?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nLYmhWa45s

Have you applied doublethink to your own theories of this case David?

[guest7363]

I merely draw upon my experiences Lookout and make comparisons where I see them. You conclude in your mind that I am opinionated. That's fine. But it takes us away from the debate.

Maybe you don't understand my logic because of your strong bias towards innocence? I also have experience of this. I too once believed a convicted murderer was innocent.

It wasn't confirmed until after the death of SH that we had met in the February 2002, some 2 months after he had murdered. From my recollections, his behaviour appeared normal. He appeared like a nice, decent, funny guy. But he was a murderer. I didn't know then that people who are capable of murder could behave so normal. That they can blend in and appear to be no different from members of society who do not murder.

What is your definition of a murderer?

The facts are that murderers appear kind, funny, compassionate, intelligent and look and act no different to you or I...
[/quote) Great  posts Steph, the Psychiatrist and Chaplain who worked at Full Sutton spelt out how bad Bamber was, but Bronson gives an insight into living with murderers and how people persevere them?

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=0ab_AQAAQBAJ&pg=PT30&lpg=PT29&ots=Na42mQI98b&focus=viewport&dq=jeremy+bamber+and+charles+bronson

You have to realise Bronson never killed anyone and he is denied all the privlages other lifers have, seems he hates Bamber as well?

[lookout]

Wow,so Bronson hates Bamber ? I doubt that JB loses sleep over that thought. I certainly wouldn't if it were me.

[guest7363]

Wow,so Bronson hates Bamber ? I doubt that JB loses sleep over that thought. I certainly wouldn't if it were me.

Ha Ha I bet he wouldn't like to be in the same cell as him, I bet he would sleep with one eye open. I like the bit where he says he's about as innocent as Al Capone was

[lookout]

Ha Ha I bet he wouldn't like to be in the same cell as him, I bet he would sleep with one eye open. I like the bit where he says he's about as innocent as Al Capone was

Oh I,Bronson's a pussy-cat isn't he ?

[guest7363]

Oh I,Bronson's a pussy-cat isn't he ?

Big difference to being a child killer though.

[Stephanie]

Great  posts Steph, the Psychiatrist and Chaplain who worked at Full Sutton spelt out how bad Bamber was, but Bronson gives an insight into living with murderers and how people persevere them?

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=0ab_AQAAQBAJ&pg=PT30&lpg=PT29&ots=Na42mQI98b&focus=viewport&dq=jeremy+bamber+and+charles+bronson

You have to realise Bronson never killed anyone and he is denied all the privlages other lifers have, seems he hates Bamber as well?

Think this is the page you meant https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=0ab_AQAAQBAJ&pg=PT29&dq=jeremy+bamber+and+charles+bronson&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjwsb25pMnQAhVkAcAKHVC0D0YQ6AEIIzAB#v=onepage&q=jeremy%20bamber%20and%20charles%20bronson&f=false

[guest7363]

Think this is the page you meant https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=0ab_AQAAQBAJ&pg=PT29&dq=jeremy+bamber+and+charles+bronson&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjwsb25pMnQAhVkAcAKHVC0D0YQ6AEIIzAB#v=onepage&q=jeremy%20bamber%20and%20charles%20bronson&f=false

Thanks Steph

[Roch]

Think this is the page you meant https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=0ab_AQAAQBAJ&pg=PT29&dq=jeremy+bamber+and+charles+bronson&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjwsb25pMnQAhVkAcAKHVC0D0YQ6AEIIzAB#v=onepage&q=jeremy%20bamber%20and%20charles%20bronson&f=false

Point taken Justice.  However, he hardly displays an incisive or measured knowledge or understanding of the evidence that supports either guilt or innocence.  I understand he has changed his name again to Salvatore, after his favourite artist.

[Roch]

Big difference to being a child killer though.

If Jeremy Bamber is a child killer, then he deserved to incarcerated, at the very least, for his original minimum term.

Do you also agree, that if it comes to light that Sheila Caffell was known to be alive in the farmhouse while the police were outside, then the people who knew this to be the case have committed two serious moral errors?

They would have knowingly sent or allowed an innocent person to go to prison, with the label of 'child killer' hanging around their neck.

They would have sullied the memory of the victims, by allowing a false set of circs and 'facts' to be perpetuated.

[guest7363]

Point taken Justice.  However, he hardly displays an incisive or measured knowledge or understanding of the evidence that supports either guilt or innocence.  I understand he has changed his name again to Salvatore, after his favourite artist.

Well he does point out, "they should take a look at the holes he put in his five victims two of them kids" so I would think he has some understanding?  Admitted he hasn't gone into detail, it's well known prisoners get to know one another and what they are in for, I cannot see Bronson mentioning Bamber unless he has had dealings with him?  Yes he has changed his name in 2014, I think he only went in for petty crime to start with?  If you read about him, he knows down to detail what other prisoners are up to and all about them.