JB's Recent blog about time on remand; nothing to do with his time on remand

[Steve_uk]

well I read it and agree with David, it was about the people he has spent the last 30 years with who can't read or write.

I don't buy it about jeremy trying to fool people. I don't believe someone e that has not been proven to have a mental disorder can try an fool people for 30 years and not get sick to the back teeth of it. No one can keep up a pretence for that long.

Why not-he's got nothing else to do..

[Stephanie]

well I read it and agree with David, it was about the people he has spent the last 30 years with who can't read or write.

I don't buy it about jeremy trying to fool people. I don't believe someone e that has not been proven to have a mental disorder can try an fool people for 30 years and not get sick to the back teeth of it. No one can keep up a pretence for that long.

You are entitled to believe who and what you want to believe.

You are indeed correct Notsure, in that it does appear Bamber has written his blog for other prisoners as opposed to his supporters or the non believers - like myself.

But why? Why has his blog been published?

It has nothing whatsoever to do with his claims of innocence!

The Inquest in June 2016 concluded that Simon Hall did not have mental health issues nor a personality disorder. So why then did he murder a 79 year old lady? How and why did he lie pathologically for 12 years? How and why did he con so many people? How did he keep it up for so long?

Why would Jeremy Bamber be sick to the back teeth of lying to people? What else does he have?

What about men and women who have been married to one another, say for example, for 30/40 years then suddenly decide they are going to leave their spouse, telling them they are no longer in love with them, for example; or they have finally decided to come out as gay? What is so different about Bambers situation?

Imo you are naive (As I once was) if you think some human beings aren't capable of behaving like this.

Maybe you are basing your judgements of Bamber by your own standards, morals etc?

It may be difficult for you to believe some human beings can behave like this but they can and they do.

[Mendoza]

Who are you to disagree/argue against that of Egan who clearly found JB free from psychopathy or any other mental health issues ?

For sure, I'm certainly not a psychiatrist, but I dont think anyone on the forum is. My opinion is just that - my opinion, and we are all entitled to one.

[Stephanie]

well I read it and agree with David, it was about the people he has spent the last 30 years with who can't read or write.

I don't buy it about jeremy trying to fool people. I don't believe someone e that has not been proven to have a mental disorder can try an fool people for 30 years and not get sick to the back teeth of it. No one can keep up a pretence for that long.

There is a great deal of information that none of us know about Jeremy Bamber. He only tells his supporters and campaigners and the public what he wants to... There is no way of being able to check what he says is true.

Which brings me back to his recent blog...

What is the point of it?

Is he having problems in prison?

Has something got back to him?

Why has he written about prisoners who cannot read or write? What are his motives for doing so?

Why, when he has the opportunity, doesn't he shout from the roof tops he is innocent and explain how it was impossible for him to have killed his 5 family members?

Why doesn't he write about negative things that happened to him in his childhood/youth?

[lookout]

I know you believe JB to be innocent Lookout and it seems to me you will defend him to the hilt regardless of what is presented to you. But I firmly believe he is guilty. Following my experiences with SH, I may be able to see things in Bamber that you don't?

For example, I think he is exploiting your kind nature. But I imagine you will say no one would be able to exploit you?

Of course I'll defend the man.He's done nothing but tell the truth as far as I'm concerned.
 Using the words of that magnificent man,Gandhi " Even if you are a minority of one,the truth is the truth ".
To me it's just tuff if no-one else believes him. I'm surprised that you continue to use SH as a comparison when clearly there is none at all between the two men.
 
And you're right,nobody exploits me. Nobody has even tried,but sure as Hell I'd know if they were.

[Stephanie]

Of course I'll defend the man.He's done nothing but tell the truth as far as I'm concerned.
 Using the words of that magnificent man,Gandhi " Even if you are a minority of one,the truth is the truth ".
To me it's just tuff if no-one else believes him. I'm surprised that you continue to use SH as a comparison when clearly there is none at all between the two men.
 
And you're right,nobody exploits me. Nobody has even tried,but sure as Hell I'd know if they were.

How do you know he's told the truth?

What factual evidence do you have to support everything he has told you?

The 'truth is the truth' Lookout and the fact is you cannot know for certain what Bamber has told you is true.

And I find it difficult to believe you have gone through life without having been treating unfairly in order to benefit others; which equals exploitation - whether it be to a greater or lessor degree.

[notsure]

You are entitled to believe who and what you want to believe.

You are indeed correct Notsure, in that it does appear Bamber has written his blog for other prisoners as opposed to his supporters or the non believers - like myself.

But why? Why has his blog been published?

It has nothing whatsoever to do with his claims of innocence!

The Inquest in June 2016 concluded that Simon Hall did not have mental health issues nor a personality disorder. So why then did he murder a 79 year old lady? How and why did he lie pathologically for 12 years? How and why did he con so many people? How did he keep it up for so long?

Why would Jeremy Bamber be sick to the back teeth of lying to people? What else does he have?

What about men and women who have been married to one another, say for example, for 30/40 years then suddenly decide they are going to leave their spouse, telling them they are no longer in love with them, for example; or they have finally decided to come out as gay? What is so different about Bambers situation?

Imo you are naive (As I once was) if you think some human beings aren't capable of behaving like this.

Maybe you are basing your judgements of Bamber by your own standards, morals etc?

It may be difficult for you to believe some human beings can behave like this but they can and they do.

Yes I am entitled to believe what I want, just as anyone else here on this forum is.

Whats wrong with him highlighting the extent of prisoners who are unable to read or write and who dont fully understand whats being put in front of them when being prosecuted. Your take on his blog is baffling me. I reallly dont know why you are analysing it so much. Your thoughts are all speculation and what ifs and buts.

I think you are analysing this far too much, speculating about why he has said what he has and trying to debate his personality is just that speculation and I am afraid I cant help you with that.

You ask what else does he have. well he could have done a lot more in prison than he has, including courses etc but has chosen not to because he is innocent. His blogs are always published, he has a dedicated website in which he promotes his blogs, so what. how would you go about proving your innocence if you were stuck in a prison cell being convicted of a crime you did not commit.

I dont agree with people that are married for 30/40 years then deciding to leave each other remotely resembles JBs predicament. Hey we all see things differently.

I am far from Naive stephanie, I just happen to have a different view of this than you.

[lookout]

How do you know he's told the truth?

What factual evidence do you have to support everything he has told you?

The 'truth is the truth' Lookout and the fact is you cannot know for certain what Bamber has told you is true.

And I find it difficult to believe you have gone through life without having been treating unfairly in order to benefit others; which equals exploitation - whether it be to a greater or lessor degree.

I've lived long enough to know when someone is telling the truth or not. I don't make comparisons either as each person is an individual and not cloned.
You don't exactly have the proof that he's lying. You  too cannot know for certain. Would you have said or thought differently if you hadn't had SH in your life ?
Lastly,I don't believe that I've ever been treated unfairly by anyone throughout my life,least of all exploited.
On the contrary,I've always been on the alert against exploitation because I hate the word and what it stands for.
 

[Stephanie]

I've lived long enough to know when someone is telling the truth or not. I don't make comparisons either as each person is an individual and not cloned.
You don't exactly have the proof that he's lying. You  too cannot know for certain. Would you have said or thought differently if you hadn't had SH in your life ?
Lastly,I don't believe that I've ever been treated unfairly by anyone throughout my life,least of all exploited.
On the contrary,I've always been on the alert against exploitation because I hate the word and what it stands for.

Prior to Simon Hall's trial in 2003 a pre-trial assessment report was collated; just as it would have been for Jeremy Bamber.

It was concluded that Jeremy Bamber was a psychopath.

Simon Hall's report concluded he may have a dissocial personality disorder. Aka Anti-Social Personality disorder.

Like JB, SH was assessed in prison and another forensic psychologist concluded he did not have a disocial personailty disorder. SH was further assessed prior to and following his confession - both psychiatrist and forensic psychologist concluded he did not have mental health issues nor did he have a personality disorder.

Anti-social personality disorder and psychopathy have similar traits:

exploit, manipulate or violate the rights of others.
lack concern, regret or remorse about other people's distress.
behave irresponsibly and show disregard for normal social behaviour.
have difficulty sustaining long-term relationships.
be unable to control their anger.


There is no way SH did not have a personality disorder of some description and/or psychopathy.

He was 24 years old and according to his disclosures, his motive was to rape his victim. He said he took a knife from his victims kitchen drawer to frighten her - the biggest one he could find. He then disclosed his victim had heard him and came into the kitchen and asked him what he was doing. He said he panicked and stabbed her.
He said he stabbed his victim 4 times.

I am suggesting that just like in the case of SH, the prison 'experts' who assessed JB were wrong.

Following the death of SH it became apparent all prison 'experts' who had assessed him did not have full knowledge of SH. They were unaware of numerous relevant factors about SH that could have helped them in their conclusions.

[Stephanie]

Yes I am entitled to believe what I want, just as anyone else here on this forum is.

Whats wrong with him highlighting the extent of prisoners who are unable to read or write and who dont fully understand whats being put in front of them when being prosecuted. Your take on his blog is baffling me. I reallly dont know why you are analysing it so much. Your thoughts are all speculation and what ifs and buts.

I think you are analysing this far too much, speculating about why he has said what he has and trying to debate his personality is just that speculation and I am afraid I cant help you with that.

You ask what else does he have. well he could have done a lot more in prison than he has, including courses etc but has chosen not to because he is innocent. His blogs are always published, he has a dedicated website in which he promotes his blogs, so what. how would you go about proving your innocence if you were stuck in a prison cell being convicted of a crime you did not commit.

I dont agree with people that are married for 30/40 years then deciding to leave each other remotely resembles JBs predicament. Hey we all see things differently.

I am far from Naive stephanie, I just happen to have a different view of this than you.

By highlighting the plight of others he is keeping the heat off of himself. There is nothing Jeremy Bamber can publicly do regarding prisoners not being able to read and write; no one in authority will listen to him. It's a pointless exercise. Why isn't he blogging about his case? His alleged innocence?

You have suggested I am speculating with regards his personality. What is the difference between what I am doing and what you are doing? You too are speculating. You do not know the 'real' Jeremy Bamber. None of us do!

I have read the numerous statements written by supporters of Jeremy Bamber on his OS and they all have one thing in common; Bambers charm, deceitfulness and exploitative nature shines through.

Jeremy Bamber does not need to do any 'courses' to rehabilitate him as he will never be released.

Further, the prison would describe someone like Jeremy Bamber as an 'under achiever.' This is yet another red flag in relation to his psychological make-up.

Simon Hall was able to convince many people of his innocence for over 12 years. Even when he confessed many people, including 'experts' questioned the validity of the confession. How do you think he was able to be so persuasive?

[Stephanie]

But I'm sure JB hadn't bargained for what had happened,nor did he ever realise that he'd also get the blame either so I'd have said that he knew nothing at all about the criminal justice system in this particular respect. It's only while he's been inside that he's been able to study about the workings of the system-----------such as it is.

There was a time when I thought the same about SH but it turned out my thoughts had been wrong. Do not be fooled into thinking JB did not have a full understanding of the criminal justice system when he was 23/24; it's clear he did have. His witness statements show he did have. He wasn't naive. He isn't a victim. But he needs people like yourself to think he is. 

Have you ever considered he is guilty?

[lookout]

JB DOES blog about his case,constantly. He has helped his team enormously with files and documents and putting them in order.What do you think he's been doing all these years ?

Why not educate others  ?
 Afterall,being educated is the greatest asset you can have in life. JB will be self-taught in lots of ways whilst being inside, besides having been public school educated too.Sad to say but there are hundreds who can't read or write and a large chunk of those happen to be the criminal element of society,so who better than someone like JB to teach/show them the basics of the English language in order that they can read family letters and even write back in a more legible way ?
I wouldn't deprive anyone from wanting to be educated,nor would I show any objections to JB or anyone else who was willing to teach. I think it's marvellous.

If your way is how you want to view JB's life,then so be it,but I'd ask you to stop with your projectory attitude/image toward those who have their own personal views.

[Stephanie]

JB DOES blog about his case,constantly. He has helped his team enormously with files and documents and putting them in order.What do you think he's been doing all these years ?

Why not educate others  ?
 Afterall,being educated is the greatest asset you can have in life. JB will be self-taught in lots of ways whilst being inside, besides having been public school educated too.Sad to say but there are hundreds who can't read or write and a large chunk of those happen to be the criminal element of society,so who better than someone like JB to teach/show them the basics of the English language in order that they can read family letters and even write back in a more legible way ?
I wouldn't deprive anyone from wanting to be educated,nor would I show any objections to JB or anyone else who was willing to teach. I think it's marvellous.

If your way is how you want to view JB's life,then so be it,but I'd ask you to stop with your projectory attitude/image toward those who have their own personal views.

I have yet to read a blog written by Jeremy Bamber about how and why he is innocent. I have yet to read anything of substance written by Jeremy Bamber about his alleged wrongful conviction.

I have always believed Jeremy Bamber to be guilty. My belief of his guilt did not change following SH's confession; though it appears you think it did?

I am entitled to my opinions Lookout and will continue to express them.

[lookout]

I have yet to read a blog written by Jeremy Bamber about how and why he is innocent. I have yet to read anything of substance written by Jeremy Bamber about his alleged wrongful conviction.

I have always believed Jeremy Bamber to be guilty. My belief of his guilt did not change following SH's confession; though it appears you think it did?

I am entitled to my opinions Lookout and will continue to express them.

I thought nothing of the sort about your belief.What made you say that ? I've ALWAYS known that you've believed JB to be guilty. I've never thought otherwise.
Yes,and our opinions are as valid as yours too.

[Stephanie]

I've lived long enough to know when someone is telling the truth or not. I don't make comparisons either as each person is an individual and not cloned.
You don't exactly have the proof that he's lying. You  too cannot know for certain. Would you have said or thought differently if you hadn't had SH in your life ?
Lastly,I don't believe that I've ever been treated unfairly by anyone throughout my life,least of all exploited.
On the contrary,I've always been on the alert against exploitation because I hate the word and what it stands for.

I thought nothing of the sort about your belief.What made you say that ? I've ALWAYS known that you've believed JB to be guilty. I've never thought otherwise.
Yes,and our opinions are as valid as yours too.

You don't seem to like the fact that I compare JB to SH? I recognise similar behaviours in them; both in relation to their cases and the persona's they have projected since their convictions.

You appear to get aggressive and take opposing views/opinions personally? Why is that?