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Thanks for allowing people to support Bamber - but don't most of your fellow 'guilters' also believe that the police somehow fabricated evidence?  A lot of people on your side of the fence believe that the silencer evidence is dud.

Did the police fabricate evidence or didn't they? That question can only be answered by Jeremy Bamber. It is he who has the answers to the many unanswered questions. But will he ever answer them? Answering them will undoubtedly show his guilt.

Does anyone know if he is due to write another blog this side of Christmas? I'm looking forward to him blogging about his case, in detail, as opposed to the see through sympathy seeking blogs he tends to favour. Someone really needs to tell him they aren't working anymore and that he's losing support.

If anyone does write or speak to him. Can they ask him to also blog about his moral compass and compare his to that of Sheila's. He's avoided it for 32 years. Wonder why?  ::)

We need to know about the real Jeremy Bamber. What makes him tick. No more pity plays please!
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If you don't believe Jeremy, then you don't believe him and that's that ! Why go on ? I certainly wouldn't if I thought he was guilty. It would have been the end,as afterall the jury found him guilty and he's in prison------so what exactly is your point ? It makes no sense to me apart from the fact that you want to argue with others and tell them how wrong they all are and that it's you who's right.

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Did the police fabricate evidence or didn't they? That question can only be answered by Jeremy Bamber. It is he who has the answers to the many unanswered questions. But will he ever answer them? Answering them will undoubtedly show his guilt.

Does anyone know if he is due to write another blog this side of Christmas? I'm looking forward to him blogging about his case, in detail, as opposed to the see through sympathy seeking blogs he tends to favour. Someone really needs to tell him they aren't working anymore and that he's losing support.

If anyone does write or speak to him. Can they ask him to also blog about his moral compass and compare his to that of Sheila's. He's avoided it for 32 years. Wonder why?  ::)

We need to know about the real Jeremy Bamber. What makes him tick. No more pity plays please!

We don't need to know any more about what Jeremy Bamber is really like as a person because it has no bearing upon the now known facts regarding who really killed his sister. The jury which tried and convicted him, did so based on a trail of lies and deceit as presented by Essex police, it's experts, and some prosecution witnesses. Sheila did not die in the bedroom until 'after'  8.10am. we now know this to be true because at 7.37am she was present in the kitchen as confirmed by the deliberately withheld police message log contents. Sheila in the kitchen then prior to 8.10am, and only three bodies present upstairs by that stage - now imagine the jury having to take that on board? It doesn't matter 'a jot' where Sheila's body ended up after the period between 7.37 and 8.10am, fact is she wasn't laid on the main bedroom floor with the rifle from the first floor window (7.15am onward) on her body throughout this 33 minute period. He may be many things to different people, a monster, a charmer, a child killer,  a nonce, a user, an abuser, but nothing can alter hard facts written in stone. Sheila, that's his sister, was not laid out on the bedroom floor at any stage between 7.37am, and 8.10am, that morning with the family rifle in her possession. I am not saying her body didn't end up there later on, with the rifle from the first floor window in her possession but that's another story. If the jury had got a whiff of these now known facts, recorded in official police records, it would have proved pivotal in their verdict. 'Doubt', that is all a defendants case has to show and prove. In this case, it can be said with 100% certainty that Bambers sister's body wasn't laid out on the main bedroom floor with the family rifle clutched against her body at any stage between 7.37am and 8.10am, on that first morning. Anything after that can't have involved Bamber at all. Essex police are to blame for this miscarriage of justice, by lying about the true circumstances of Sheila's death in the main bedroom. This is not Bamber trying to get away with it, or anything. He simply could not have had anything whatsoever to do with Sheila's body laid out in the main bedroom in possession of any rifle, any silencer, or any ammunition of this type, or that type. Which part don't you understand?

This explanation I am giving, is similar to my own case from yesteryear, where two Barnsley CID officers claimed to have been present in an observation van outside some target premises at 5.20pm, on the 22nd January, 1986. I was kept in custody for five and a half months on remand because cops withheld a surveillance log, which showed that a Detective Inspector in the No.3 Regional Crime Squad had not passed a message for officers to go and collect the observation van in question from the compound at Barnsley police station. This request was recorded in a timed message at 5.55pm, that date. The observation van was not put into position in the road outside the target premises until 6.30pm, that date. So, obviously the two South Yorkshire cops couldn't have been inside that observation van at 5.20pm, outside the target premises on that date, and they could not have seen a stolen motor vehicle pull up outside the target premises being driven, they both said, by none other than myself...

Cops withheld the log of messages, which could have prevented the loss of my liberty for a period of about five and a half months. I know there is a vast difference in the length of time that Bamber has been in custody (over 30 years) compared to my predicament, but nevertheless, the overlaying  principles are the same. There existed and there exists police message log contents which place Sheila in the kitchen with Ralph Bamber at 7.37am, onward. She was not upstairs in the bedroom by 8.10am, since by that stage there were only three bodies upstairs, not four...

Surely, if there is any justice, this man Bamber should be released from custody immediately. He cannot have shot and killed his sister in that main bedroom using the family owned rifle. It's impossible based upon the material contained in these previously withheld message logs. Bamber was never inside the farmhouse at all after 8.10am. This is like in my case, aforementioned, when I now say, that the two Barnsley CID men couldn't have been inside the observation van at 5.20pm on the 22nd January, 1986. They couldn't have been in that observation van at 5.20pm, that date, because the observation van was not there until much later on. Similarly, and without doubt or question, Sheila's body did not arrive inside the main bedroom until after 8.10am. The rifle which was later photographed at a first floor window, then upon his sisters body, did not leave it's resting place against a first floor window until after 7.15am. Therefore, this rules Bamber out of being the person who murdered his sister, and who allegedly staged her death scene, there on the main bedroom floor - But, how could he have? You tell me exactly how Bamber could possibly have shot and killed his sister with use of the family rifle after 8.10am, that morning?

He couldn't possibly have shot and killed his sister, in the same way Cops couldn't have seen me driving a stolen vehicle  from inside an observation van that wasn't there, when they said it was...

Bamber, for all his faults did not shoot, or kill his sister, that's a fact, it's the truth. It's factual, it's logical, and it's the absolute truth...
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Did the police fabricate evidence or didn't they? That question can only be answered by Jeremy Bamber. It is he who has the answers to the many unanswered questions. But will he ever answer them? Answering them will undoubtedly show his guilt.

In relation to the police allegedly fabricating evidence - I don't get your point.  If the police or others were involved in fabricating evidence - then they would know that to be the case themselves.  They wouldn't unknowingly fabricate evidence.  Therefore how is it correct to claim only JB knows whether evidence was fabricated?  You could claim - 'only JB knows whether a silencer was ever used in the killings'.  However, even this would not be a true claim - if JB was not the killer.

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 There wasn't time or opportunity for Bamber to have shot his sister twice, once downstairs, and once upstairs, using the same family owned rifle, apart from the fact that Sheila was not ever present upstairs on the first floor of the farmhouse until after 8.10am, which is when the 'upstairs  three body count' increased by one to four. We still haven't yet learned which firearm officers pronounced 'the male and the female dead upon entry to kitchen'. The identity of that person is being kept a closely guarded secret...
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In relation to the police allegedly fabricating evidence - I don't get your point.  If the police or others were involved in fabricating evidence - then they would know that to be the case themselves.  They wouldn't unknowingly fabricate evidence.  Therefore how is it correct to claim only JB knows whether evidence was fabricated?  You could claim - 'only JB knows whether a silencer was ever used in the killings'.  However, even this would not be a true claim - if JB was not the killer.

I'm unsure if you are familiar with the case against SH but the police believed the kitchen window had been smashed with an ornamental garden frog. This item was sent away for forensic testing and the theory remained that the frog was used to smash the window. In the last ever BBC Rough Justice documentary, Professor Peter Bull put together an experiment showing how the fibre evidence would have also contained glass particles.

The garden ornament had been knocked over and there was a patch of grass where it appeared the frog once sat. I can put a photo up later.

During the police search of the SOC and surrounding areas, the police found a long metal pole in one of the neighbours garden. Although exhibited it was never sent away for forensics.

Also arguments continued over the years in relation to the actual murder weapon. Some people may recall in 2010 the innocent project found a witness statement from a carer of an elderly gentleman who had been burgled on the same night as the murder, suggesting the knife didn't belong to the victim. I will post a link later.

SH disclosed he had used the metal pole to smash the window. So did police fabricate the frog evidence or is that what they genuinely believed had been used
? Was the frog evidence unknowingly fabricated? Why did they fail to test the pole (budget?) and why was it ruled out (Human error?)
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There wasn't time or opportunity for Bamber to have shot his sister twice, once downstairs, and once upstairs, using the same family owned rifle, apart from the fact that Sheila was not ever present upstairs on the first floor of the farmhouse until after 8.10am, which is when the 'upstairs  three body count' increased by one to four. We still haven't yet learned which firearm officers pronounced 'the male and the female dead upon entry to kitchen'. The identity of that person is being kept a closely guarded secret...

Is was once the belief SH did not have the time or opportunity to carry out the murder and the police failed to ascertain the actual motive, instead pursuing the burglary gone wrong theory? Was this also fabricated by the police in order to ensure they got their conviction?
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If you don't believe Jeremy, then you don't believe him and that's that ! Why go on ? I certainly wouldn't if I thought he was guilty. It would have been the end,as afterall the jury found him guilty and he's in prison------so what exactly is your point ? It makes no sense to me apart from the fact that you want to argue with others and tell them how wrong they all are and that it's you who's right.

Just like you're doing. What a coincidence!!!!

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Just like you're doing. What a coincidence!!!!




I've never rammed the issue down anyone's throat. I don't think my posts are anything like Stephanie's,do you ?

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I've never rammed the issue down anyone's throat. I don't think my posts are anything like Stephanie's,do you ?

That is best judged by how they're perceived by the person on the receiving end. Whether or not they resemble another's posts is irrelevant.

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We don't need to know any more about what Jeremy Bamber is really like as a person because it has no bearing upon the now known facts regarding who really killed his sister. The jury which tried and convicted him, did so based on a trail of lies and deceit as presented by Essex police, it's experts, and some prosecution witnesses...

Mike - do you think that both CA5 and CA7 were dispatched to the scene, prior to PC West have received Jeremy Bamber's call?
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I'm unsure if you are familiar with the case against SH but the police believed the kitchen window had been smashed with an ornamental garden frog. This item was sent away for forensic testing and the theory remained that the frog was used to smash the window. In the last ever BBC Rough Justice documentary, Professor Peter Bull put together an experiment showing how the fibre evidence would have also contained glass particles.

The garden ornament had been knocked over and there was a patch of grass where it appeared the frog once sat. I can put a photo up later.

During the police search of the SOC and surrounding areas, the police found a long metal pole in one of the neighbours garden. Although exhibited it was never sent away for forensics.

Also arguments continued over the years in relation to the actual murder weapon. Some people may recall in 2010 the innocent project found a witness statement from a carer of an elderly gentleman who had been burgled on the same night as the murder, suggesting the knife didn't belong to the victim. I will post a link later.

SH disclosed he had used the metal pole to smash the window. So did police fabricate the frog evidence or is that what they genuinely believed had been used
? Was the frog evidence unknowingly fabricated? Why did they fail to test the pole (budget?) and why was it ruled out (Human error?)

That is an interesting read Steph.  Though I could not personally state that these circs match the circs regarding the sound moderator in the Bamber case. 
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That is best judged by how they're perceived by the person on the receiving end. Whether or not they resemble another's posts is irrelevant.




That's one way of worming out of it.

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I'm unsure if you are familiar with the case against SH but the police believed the kitchen window had been smashed with an ornamental garden frog. This item was sent away for forensic testing and the theory remained that the frog was used to smash the window. In the last ever BBC Rough Justice documentary, Professor Peter Bull put together an experiment showing how the fibre evidence would have also contained glass particles.

The garden ornament had been knocked over and there was a patch of grass where it appeared the frog once sat. I can put a photo up later.

During the police search of the SOC and surrounding areas, the police found a long metal pole in one of the neighbours garden. Although exhibited it was never sent away for forensics.

Also arguments continued over the years in relation to the actual murder weapon. Some people may recall in 2010 the innocent project found a witness statement from a carer of an elderly gentleman who had been burgled on the same night as the murder, suggesting the knife didn't belong to the victim. I will post a link later.

SH disclosed he had used the metal pole to smash the window. So did police fabricate the frog evidence or is that what they genuinely believed had been used
? Was the frog evidence unknowingly fabricated? Why did they fail to test the pole (budget?) and why was it ruled out (Human error?)


That is an interesting read Steph.  Though I could not personally state that these circs match the circs regarding the sound moderator in the Bamber case.

Hi Roch, I thought you may find it of interest.

When I talk of the similarities between the two cases,  I am mainly referring to how they have played out in the public arena; the news stories, the documentaries, the appeals, the forensic experts disagreeing over the years and of course the online feuds etc.

And not least of all the men behind it all = Jeremy Bamber & Simon Hall.

Though the fibre evidence & sound moderator cirs are both a matter of opinion, depending on what argument one favours maybe? http://news.humanrightstv.com/news/2011/innocence-simon-hall-judgement-response

http://www.innocencenetwork.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/SL55-Naughton-Innocence-pp30-31.pdf

It's clear David doesn't know much about the SH case because if he did, he would understand the irony of his post below? I've witnessed numerous experts put their reputations on the line over the years..
Your unqualified opinion proves nothing.


Here is part of Proffessor Egan's university/work profile.

HCPC-accredited forensic and clinical psychologist. Expert in the administration of forensic risk assessment instruments (PCL-R, HCR-20, SVR-20), assessment of personality disorder (IPDE), and the assessment of intelligence (WASI, WAIS-IV, Wechsler Memory Scale).

He was prepared to put his reputation on the line concluding Jeremy was no psychopath.

What does Stephanie do? Ignore him  ::) 

But it gets worse. Stephanie then claimed (without evidence) that Bamber had fooled him. In other words making up an excuse to ignore the evidence to suit ones own bias.

Stephanie Bon says: "The truth is they wanted to extend their career, they had a weird interest about crime and were only too happy to latch on to a good campaign and put their name to it.  One has to stand by their convictions all the way but most can’t.

Whilst I appreciate many readers may not have the knowledge, understanding and time line of events regarding the twists and turns of all that went on in relation to the SH case, there is simply no getting away from the similarities and strong sense Jeremy Bamber is exploiting the criminal justice system and indeed his supporters - just as Simon Hall did.

I am not suggesting the circs (Above) match the circs regarding the sound moderator in the Bamber case but I am suggesting because of the flaws in the police investigations (And they are common in many other cases) it has given Bamber and people like him (Hall) the opportunity to deny their guilt and use that old cliche reasonable doubt to support their false claims.

Many posters here witnessed the SH campaign turn into a car crash. And many posters (2012/13) blamed me for the car crash that became the campaign.

Stephanie Bon posted: "Simon made his choices and there is nothing any of us can do, to this day, although she is aware of what is happening, Mrs Hall still hasn’t made contact or returned calls from Simon’s family and friends and is therefore still playing mind games because who in their right mind would think that this is not affecting everyone?!  This is not normal behaviour and I am sure that this message will be relayed however, who can tell me that they have not witnessed this whole thing going t**ts up for the last few years?

What most of those posters failed to recognise was that I was being exploited by SH and used to do his bidding - for want of a better word.

The only person playing mind games was SH. And people like Stephanie Bon & Shaun Hall, for example, had their own agenda's.  Many of their posts at the time are now in hidden threads but some are still available for posters to read, digest and understand.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4548.msg187623.html#msg187623

What most posters here won't know, is that at one time, the SH campaign had possibly the biggest online presence than any other UK case; including Jeremy Bamber's. Note: I did not start campaigning for SH until 2009; prior to this Stephanie Bon ran the campaign. Following the confession she posted: If you think that anyone who campaigned for Simon in the first 6-7 years did it knowing that this latest episode would ever happen  you really are mean and judgemental?  Tell me Paris, how do you think we all feel? We have had no contact with Simon for years other than the terrible letters that Stephanie Hall posted online, crass, rude and so disgusting towards anyone who ever cared for him.  Where you there at the beginning?  Do you remember how it feels to hear the words guilty when in your gut you don’t know if isn’t true? http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4548.msg187623.html#msg187623

Before facebook and twitter there were other social media sites, which those people campaigning for SH's release, used at the time.


The Court of Last Resort
A dark and rainy late afternoon in December, and in a café opposite the Royal Courts of Justice in London I meet Dr Michael Naughton. He is a fast-talking man in his late 40s, a former machine-shop foreman and mechanical engineer from a large Irish Catholic family. When an industrial injury forced him to change careers Naughton studied criminology and became interested in miscarriages of justice. "Coming from my background, I'd had experience of the criminal justice system," he says. "Then I started meeting members of the Birmingham Six, and the shared connection of our biographies made a huge impact. What started as a theoretical interest suddenly became very personal."

"The more we researched, the more concerns grew," continues Tan. "We learned that the fibres are easily transferable and susceptible to contamination, that they were not collected from Hall's addresses until six months after the murder." As a result of their investigation, Hall had his case referred back to the Court of Appeal, and it is while attending the hearings at the Royal Courts of Justice that I meet Naughton and Tan. The judgment on whether he will have his conviction quashed is announced this month. If Hall is freed, it will be the first time that the Innocence Project will have succeeded in overturning a conviction in six years of existence.
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2011/jan/09/innocence-project-conviction-hilary-swank
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That's one way of worming out of it.

I'm not concerned with whose posts you think your posts don't resemble. It was never the point of my post, ergo, I can't be said to be worming OUT of anything I was never in.