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Offline David1819

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In conclusion, everyone should be pleased that a new scenario of how Sheila could have committed the massacre was created. Which is something which has hardly ever been offerred.

This scenario is a lot more detailed than Mike's, which just said 'by shooting them'. However there are at least 15 major flaws which have not been tackled. Not even by other supporters. Which is a shame as everyone wants to give a credible account of how Sheila could have committed the massacre.

I did ask another supporter to contribute, or simply agreed with the suggestion that Neville rang Bamber after Sheila started shooting the sleeping twins. But got no response. Some progress was made when it was agreed that Neville did not ring the police. Agreed by one poster anyway.

I can prove the fight in the kitchen never happened. I will create a threat on it later when I have time.

That should extinguish many of your "obstacles".

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I can prove the fight in the kitchen never happened. I will create a threat on it later when I have time.

That should extinguish many of your "obstacles".

Only one of the 15 obstacles mentions the kitchen fight. Point 14.
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

Offline David1819

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There has been another proposed account that was posted on another forum yesterday. Credit to Samson over at IA.

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Sheila was not up all night, she went to bed as usual.
However, she felt her period begin, and rose to deal with it.
Finding significant blood staining, she went to the kitchen with her knickers and filled a new bucket with water to soak the garment.
She made enough noise, filling it, or putting the heavy bucket on the floor, to alert Nevill, who at 3 am not only was alarmed sufficiently by noise to investigate a possible intruder, but remembered that gun in the kitchen.

At this point I will remind everyone of a representative passage from Carol Anne Lee.

We had coffee at the kitchen table, just the three of us. Sheila was at the head, opposite the door, where she usually sat, I was on her left and her mother was on her right. For a while she just sat there, looking very weak. Mrs Bamber and I were chatting and suddenly Sheila said: “All people are bad and deserve to be killed.” She just came out with it. But she wasn’t herself anyway. Her eyes would look right past you. I only saw her once more after that. I was indoors, watching her cross the yard. The geese were about – perishing things, they used to cackle and chase people. But on this particular occasion I saw Sheila walking across the yard, her body and legs very stiff, staring straight ahead. She moved through the geese as if they weren’t there.

This is the Sheila of mid 1986, taciturn, catatonic, alarming.

What occurred in that kitchen is speculative, but Jeremy has told us of the fractious conversations earlier in the evening.
How did going crazy manifest itself, was there much said? Clues can be wrested from the fact June never woke up again.
There was not enough to wake the "light sleeping" June, though 3 am is a time when sleep is now deep.
As Sheila glides up the stairs Nevill is phoning Jeremy. He takes a while to answer , and by the time he does, Sheila has figured how to load that gun, and the shooting begins.
Nevill gets to the top of the stairs, and takes those terrible and debilitating wounds to his face, turns, and as the last two bullets catch his left arm from behind, slithers to his resting place in the coal scuttle. Sheila beats him or reloads to finish. It is irrelevant what injuries besides gun shots were inflicted, she is capable of everything without a blemish to her person.

This account fits the known evidence, Jeremy in Goldhanger, June asleep, Nevill being disabled with gravity to assist to his resting place, no controversy about a phone call by an injured man, no bikes or wetsuits, no clothes to disappear, no shots by another to an awake human being matching suicide trajectory.

Absent a point by point counter to this with sensible and considered reason, I will contact the Home Office and resolve the WHF mystery for them
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« Last Edit: December 08, 2016, 12:10:PM by David1819 »

Offline lookout

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BTW what was to have stopped June from soaking the children's clothes previously ? Wouldn't that have accounted for the 2 buckets ( AE had said 3 ) ?
« Last Edit: December 08, 2016, 05:32:PM by maggie »

Offline lookout

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That's the whole point of soaking, they could have been there all day.




I would have said at bathtime.

Offline Steve_uk

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There has been another proposed account that was posted on another forum yesterday. Credit to Samson over at IA.
I was waiting for your account David, not some cut and paste drivel from someone whom I don't know. How on earth a Sheila in that state of Tardive Dyskinesia can overpower five people reloading a rifle in the process is beyond me.

You have all been hoisted on your own petard.

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I was waiting for your account David, not some cut and paste drivel from someone whom I don't know. How on earth a Sheila in that state of Tardive Dyskinesia can overpower five people reloading a rifle in the process is beyond me.

You have all been hoisted on your own petard.
I will withdraw "drivel", but consider the scenario highly inaccurate.

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I would have said at bathtime.

You can say anytime you like, it wouldn't make any difference because we don't know.
Few people have the imagination for reality

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I will withdraw "drivel", but consider the scenario highly inaccurate.

that's fair steve.

Offline David1819

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I was waiting for your account David, not some cut and paste drivel from someone whom I don't know. How on earth a Sheila in that state of Tardive Dyskinesia can overpower five people reloading a rifle in the process is beyond me.

You have all been hoisted on your own petard.

Tardive Dyskinesia never prevented Sheila from doing anything. If she can roll her own cigarettes then she can use a gun. If she can go to a party she can use a gun. if she can put her own clothes on then she can use a gun.

I don't know where you get the figure of 5 people from. The twins and June were all fatally shot while in bed. That leaves Neville already shot 4 times unable to use his left arm.




Offline Steve_uk

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Tardive Dyskinesia never prevented Sheila from doing anything. If she can roll her own cigarettes then she can use a gun. If she can go to a party she can use a gun. if she can put her own clothes on then she can use a gun.

I don't know where you get the figure of 5 people from. The twins and June were all fatally shot while in bed. That leaves Neville already shot 4 times unable to use his left arm.
Yes sorry it was Jeremy who killed five..

Offline Steve_uk

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Tardive Dyskinesia never prevented Sheila from doing anything. If she can roll her own cigarettes then she can use a gun. If she can go to a party she can use a gun. if she can put her own clothes on then she can use a gun.

I don't know where you get the figure of 5 people from. The twins and June were all fatally shot while in bed. That leaves Neville already shot 4 times unable to use his left arm.
But not that particular gun. It was so stiff Malcolm Fletcher broke a nail demonstrating to the jury how it worked.

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Sheila broke a nail too,albeit a false one which AE found lying around and to which she put into a make-up bag.

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Also,what would a chunk of Sheila's toenail be doing on the kitchen floor too ?

Offline Steve_uk

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Also,what would a chunk of Sheila's toenail be doing on the kitchen floor too ?
I don't know. Maybe she stubbed her toe. Wasn't it red nail varnish as opposed to a piece of nail?