Is Jeremy Bamber Bisexual?

[David1819]

How is exploring someones psychological make-up scraping the bottom of the barrel? 

"The physical evidence collected at a crime scene provides clues that are imperative for the solution of the case, but the psychological clues are of equal value to the investigator. Signs of the murderers personality left at the crime scene are of profound importance, suggesting identifiable patterns of behaviour based on deep seated psychological needs.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=dDOW75aJMR8C&pg=PA434&lpg=PA434&dq=paraphilias+and+murder&source=bl&ots=sv4IrM8aDj&sig=ttd7MXF5QZuK5WjoAYF1LFrmB6I&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjL_JWk6qrQAhWoDMAKHZnsDYYQ6AEIVzAH#v=onepage&q=paraphilias%20and%20murder&f=false

None of us know Bambers sexual identity. If, for example, he was abused at the tender age of 11 years old I fail to see how this abuse could not have had an impact on his psychological development.

Whilst he maybe bi-sexual there's also a possibility his homosexual relationships were of a ego dystonic homosexual nature.

"The crime scene becomes the arena in which killers can perform, perfect, and relieve their fantasies by acting out in ways that are unique to their psychological needs. Thus, crime scene behaviour is an absolute, constant reflection of the violent and sadistic desires of each killer. Any brutal and destructive action at the crime scene beyond that which is necessary to complete the act of killing is considered signature killing https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=dDOW75aJMR8C&pg=PA434&lpg=PA434&dq=paraphilias+and+murder&source=bl&ots=sv4IrM8aDj&sig=ttd7MXF5QZuK5WjoAYF1LFrmB6I&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjL_JWk6qrQAhWoDMAKHZnsDYYQ6AEIVzAH#v=onepage&q=paraphilias%20and%20murder&f=false

Its scrapping the bottom of the barrel because they trying to find some rational for Jeremy committing the crime.

Exploring someone's psychological make-up is important but you are studying the wrong person. If you look into cases of familicide and suicide among patients with schizophrenia. It will leave you with little doubt as to who the perpetrator was.

[Stephanie]

Its scrapping the bottom of the barrel because they trying to find some rational for Jeremy committing the crime.

Exploring someone's psychological make-up is important but you are studying the wrong person. If you look into cases of familicide and suicide among patients with schizophrenia. It will leave you with little doubt as to who the perpetrator was.

Do you mean scraping the bottom of the barrel?

I don't believe Sheila committed suicide with a gun. Research suggests men are more likely to use guns to commit suicide. Further I believe if she had used a gun she would have put it in her mouth or up against her forehead.

The police would have left it as a murder suicide if this is what it was; they had nothing to gain by fitting up Bamber.

I recognise paraphilias and sexuality may be taboo subjects for some people but imo people like Bamber may be hiding behind the facade that they aren't emotionally stunted.

None of us know Bamber on an emotional level and he now has the fact of having been in prison for over 3 decades as a plausible excuse.

[Romeo]

"Sexual sadism is another listed paraphilia.
"Sexual sadists are sexually aroused by causing pain or humiliation to another person. Usually this starts as a pleasurable fantasy which eventually progresses to actually acting those fantasies out with another person. The other person may or may not be a consenting participant. The sadistic behavior often includes burning, cutting or scratching, whipping, choking, or biting.

Here's some text from Claire Powells book.....

Jeremy completely swept me off my feet. He was a skilful lover. He taught me how to enjoy sex in a way I never had before, she admitted.

He could also be aggressive and domineering. Julie told her girlfriends that he liked to feel in control and on one occasion he covered her arms with bruises and bites so they could be clearly visible to their friends. The message was unmistakable: Julie was his property, and she acquiesced without a murmur.

My point here is that JB had an  'aggressive and domineering' nature.

[Roch]

Did Powell also write for Mills and Boon? 

[Romeo]

...  and I thought you would have known the difference Roch. 

Fact.... A conclusion drawn by a judge or jury from the evidence in a case.

Fiction...literature in the form of prose, especially novels, that describes imaginary events and people.

[Stephanie]

Might be worth a read: http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/forensic-psychiatry/survived-one-life-and-mind-family-mass-murderer

"There are many stories written about serial killers and murderers, books that narrate the life course of individuals who commit heinous acts. However, few have been written by murderers explaining their lives first-hand and offering a glimpse into the experiences that bring one to murder. Survived by One: The Life and Mind of a Family Mass Murderer, is a unique endeavor. It combines the psychological expertise of Robert E. Hanlon, PhD, a prominent Chicago-based neuropsychologist, and the raw narration of Thomas Odle, a man serving a life sentence for the murder of his parents, his two brothers, and his sister. Familicide is fairly uncommon, making Odle’s story all the more compelling.

"His writing eloquently conveys his lack of emotional connection to his family, his disdain for laws and rules, and his abuse of drugs and alcohol. His unhealthy sexual relationships with older women contribute to his antisocial personality, which took form at a young age. His young life culminated in the decision to kill his mother, followed by his father, and finally ending with the murders of all three of his siblings.

"Tom Odle’s journey of self-discovery began when the death sentence was abolished in Illinois in 2003, and all death sentences were commuted to natural life in prison. After 17 years on Illinois Death Row, Odle was handed a new lease on life. With this gift came Tom’s burning questions about himself and a desire to learn who he was and understand what led him to murder. The introspective narrative, which served as a self-exploration for Tom Odle through correspondence with Dr Hanlon, offers readers a rare window into the mind of a killer, exploring his childhood, the details of the murders, and the life that unfolded for him in prison.

I wonder what Bamber's 'self discovery' story would read like? Does Bamber know who he is and has he ever written or spoken about his true identity; explored his childhood and how events shaped him? Wouldn't some of this be in his prison psychology reports? Who has copies? Anyone?

[Stephanie]

Mass Murderer Robert Coulson & similarities to Bamber

"A police officer, who was conducting surveillance of Coulson and his activities at the funeral, November 17, watched Coulson during the service and noticed that Coulson showed no emotion at the church or grave side service. After the funeral, the officer watched Coulson leave the church to walk a friend to her car. On his way back, Coulson was observed by the officer to smile, snap his fingers and clap his hands, and do what the officer described as a dance step before returning to his previous solemn expression.
http://www.clarkprosecutor.org/html/death/US/coulson783.htm

Further reading:

"Sexual preference: Had a girlfriend but possibly bi

http://maamodt.asp.radford.edu/Psyc%20405/serial%20killers/Colson,%20Robert%20_spring,%202006_.pdf

"On a November afternoon in 1992, 24-year-old Bobby Coulson murdered his parents, two sisters, and a brother-in-law. He bound and gagged his first victim, his mother, and set her on fire. When Bobby was arrested for the crimes, everyone believed he'd done it for his parents' $600,000 estate. But his actual motives were much deeper and darker. Now, featuring Bobby's mother's diary, interviews with family members and friends, here is the gripping story of a mother whose love wasn't enough to save her son or herself. https://books.google.co.uk/books/about/Ashes_to_Ashes.html?id=jxr7T7c2x5QC&redir_esc=y

[Romeo]

I wonder what Bamber's 'self discovery' story would read like? Does Bamber know who he is and has he ever written or spoken about his true identity; explored his childhood and how events shaped him? Wouldn't some of this be in his prison psychology reports? Who has copies? Anyone

I can't even begin to believe that Bamber could tell his 'self discovery' story, he has believed in his own innocence for so long now. To admit to killing his family now would mean he looses all the credibility he has gained in protesting his innocence. It's this that keeps him going, the reason he pores over court documents for any mistakes made by the police. Simply it keeps him going inside. I believe many things are not in the public domain, that points to his guilt, perhaps even psychology reports. But even in police statements at the time of the murders Bamber just refused to answer questions that he felt could, in any way,  implicate him in the murders. 

[Romeo]

Must get the books you mentioned.

[Stephanie]

Must get the books you mentioned.

It is only a theory that Bamber murdered his family for money; like Robert Coulson his motive could have been much deeper and darker. Ashes to Ashes describes family secrets that led to Coulson murdering his 5 family members.

[David1819]

I don't believe Sheila committed suicide with a gun. Research suggests men are more likely to use guns to commit suicide. Further I believe if she had used a gun she would have put it in her mouth or up against her forehead.

The bloodstain evidence indicates that she did.
 
The time of death evidence proves that she did.

The police would have left it as a murder suicide if this is what it was; they had nothing to gain by fitting up Bamber.

They didn't. It was his relatives.

I recognise paraphilias and sexuality may be taboo subjects for some people but imo people like Bamber may be hiding behind the facade that they aren't emotionally stunted.

None of us know Bamber on an emotional level and he now has the fact of having been in prison for over 3 decades as a plausible excuse.

The physical evidence rules Jeremy out. So what ever is on his mind is irrelevant.

[lookout]

"Sexual sadism is another listed paraphilia.
"Sexual sadists are sexually aroused by causing pain or humiliation to another person. Usually this starts as a pleasurable fantasy which eventually progresses to actually acting those fantasies out with another person. The other person may or may not be a consenting participant. The sadistic behavior often includes burning, cutting or scratching, whipping, choking, or biting.

Here's some text from Claire Powells book.....

Jeremy completely swept me off my feet. He was a skilful lover. He taught me how to enjoy sex in a way I never had before, she admitted.

He could also be aggressive and domineering. Julie told her girlfriends that he liked to feel in control and on one occasion he covered her arms with bruises and bites so they could be clearly visible to their friends. The message was unmistakable: Julie was his property, and she acquiesced without a murmur.

My point here is that JB had an  'aggressive and domineering' nature.

Was Claire Powell also right in saying that Sheila had £40,000 of drug debt ?

[Roch]

...  and I thought you would have known the difference Roch. 

Fact.... A conclusion drawn by a judge or jury from the evidence in a case.

Fiction...literature in the form of prose, especially novels, that describes imaginary events and people.

Hi Romeo,

Is the extract from the infamous NOTW article, where Julie poses in a basque?  In which case it would be chequebook journalism.  What she did was not very respectful of the victims or wider relatives.   Or is it from an interview conducted by Claire Powell?  In today's world of 'fifty shades of grey' and other stuff, it doesn't seem that shocking, that in their particular relationship, Bamber could allegedly display dominance, physical or otherwise.

[Stephanie]

Hi Romeo,

Is the extract from the infamous NOTW article, where Julie poses in a basque?  In which case it would be chequebook journalism.  What she did was not very respectful of the victims or wider relatives.   Or is it from an interview conducted by Claire Powell?  In today's world of 'fifty shades of grey' and other stuff, it doesn't seem that shocking, that in their particular relationship, Bamber could allegedly display dominance, physical or otherwise.

50 shades of grey is a set of novels about a man who was abused by his mother as a child and was then abused by an older women in his teens. The books detail a man who has clear issues and possible personality disorder traits; including highly narcissistic tendencies and who derives pleasure from inflicting pain and humiliation on others.

There are some people who would find this behaviour as acceptable and others that wouldn't.

In Bamber's case, these factors are relevant in relation to his psychological make up and the crimes he committed.

[Roch]

50 shades of grey is a set of novels about a man who was abused by his mother as a child and was then abused by an older women in his teens. The books detail a man who has clear issues and possible personality disorder traits; including highly narcissistic tendencies..

There are some people who would find this behaviour as acceptable and others that wouldn't.

In Bamber's case, these factors are relevant in relation to his psychological make up and the crimes he committed.

Maybe I shouldn't have used that example - it was off the cuff.  I should add, that I personally haven't read the novels or watched the films. 

My point was / is lots of couples probably experience forms of submissiveness, dominance and rough activities.  Surely it's always been around and always will be around.  In that context, to what extent are the remarks by Mugford merely innocuous?   It's the kind of saucy tat that you would expect in a chequebook journalism article.