The Myths of Circumstantial Evidence

[Stephanie]

I can understand people doing that when they are personally involved, but not when they don't know the person from Adam.

We are talking about Jeremy Bamber, the charmer, the man who is all things to all people. He will be playing on their emotions without them even realising it.

Remember; he will have different relationships on the go at any one time; either in the idealise, devalue or discard phase.

Many people who weren't personally involved with SH behaved the same way. They didn't know him from Adam either but I guess they had been taken in by some of his stories; or stories told to them by others?

[Jane]

I can understand people doing that when they are personally involved, but not when they don't know the person from Adam.

I felt exactly the same following SH's confession. But it was quite obvious why people behaved as they did. Just as it is now. For some people, they find it easier to blame others and make excuses rather than questions their own belief systems and actions and admit when they are wrong.

Caroline/Steph, It goes very MUCH deeper than questioning what they've belied about Jeremy. It goes to the heart of their entire belief system. They have to be right to feel safe. Their worlds will be rocked and the ground beneath their feet will fall away if those beliefs are challenged.

[lookout]

Because I've never been personally involved with a criminal doesn't mean to say I wouldn't know one !!

[Stephanie]

Caroline/Steph, It goes very MUCH deeper than questioning what they've belied about Jeremy. It goes to the heart of their entire belief system. They have to be right to feel safe. Their worlds will be rocked and the ground beneath their feet will fall away if those beliefs are challenged.

Won't they just Jane!  Been there got the t-shirt! Some people prefer to remain in denial; ignorance is bliss and all that.

"Babiak and Hare explain that although psychopaths are highly manipulative, the process of idealize, devalue and discard is a natural outgrowth of their personalities. In other words, it’s not necessarily calculated at every moment in the relationship/friendship. https://psychopathyawareness.wordpress.com/2010/12/22/the-psychopaths-relationship-cycle-idealize-devalue-and-discard/

[Stephanie]

Caroline/Steph, It goes very MUCH deeper than questioning what they've belied about Jeremy. It goes to the heart of their entire belief system. They have to be right to feel safe. Their worlds will be rocked and the ground beneath their feet will fall away if those beliefs are challenged.

At some point, all those people involved in the SH case along the years will have had to challenge and questions their beliefs systems. For those people who may have chosen not to, they will unfortunately reach that point at some stage in their life. Then again I've also questioned if some of these people may also be disordered.

I wonder if this is one of the reasons why Dr Michael Naughton chose to disband the Innocence Project? He wrote a large volume of material on the subject of alleged miscarriages of justice; but as far as I am aware he is yet to amend said material?

Same applies for all the 'expert's' involved along the years. Did they ever re-review their findings and amend accordingly? How much mis-information is out there?

[lookout]

I think you should know that, however well meaning are friends, it isn't always possible for us to us to reveal certain things to them out of fear of shocking/frightening them. It isn't always possible for those friends to hold what we tell them without feeling the need to share it. Most that I've counselled would have sold their soul to just "get on with it" because "IT" has worn them down. The healing process actually involves the luxury of being able to talk about what has burdened silently for years. ALL the problems being reported now, in the media, are a direct result of people being too afraid to talk.

Jane I have 4 " solid " friends from work who I can tell anything to and they to me without the rest of the world knowing.It's called loyalty and they're true,genuine friends,who I've never ever been afraid to talk to about anything,knowing that it remains confidential. I can't help but feel privileged to have them as friends.

[Jane]

Jane I have 4 " solid " friends from work who I can tell anything to and they to me without the rest of the world knowing.It's called loyalty and they're true,genuine friends,who I've never ever been afraid to talk to about anything,knowing that it remains confidential. I can't help but feel privileged to have them as friends.

 You are, indeed, privileged to have such good friends, but perhaps you should also consider yourself lucky that nothing in your life has been SO terrible that you can't discuss it with them. To find oneself in such a position is to understand what loneliness really means.

[maggie]

I have removed some posts from the above thread because they attack the poster and not the subject.

If a poster finds another poster annoying, abusive etc could they please put them on ignore, surely it's the best way to deal with the situation and would be so helpful as it would save me having to continually tidy up behind posters.  Thank you.