The window catch issue

[Stephanie]

10.00am 22of August, D/Constable Barlow went to WHF and made a note in his pocket book, the window over the kitchen sink could be closed from the outside with the handle in the up position and this would fall down in the locking position when banged?

Oh dear

[Stephanie]

This is taken from the 2002 Appeal Judgement. It seems to show that the CT are indeed wasting their time.

286. The prosecution had established conclusively and without challenge the appellant's ability to enter and leave the White House Farm when it was apparently secure from his own answers. Julie Mugford confirmed the fact. The Crown did not have the burden of proving by which window and by which mechanism the entry was made. The Crown proved capacity both to enter and leave. There was no issue. As the trial Judge said (at page 10E):

"… how he got there and out again whether by the kitchen window or any other means, though of interest, cannot affect the outcome of the case"

[Stephanie]

What a chancer he is...

I guarantee you one of his supporters has sent him something discussed on this forum and he's running with it - like he has done with everything else.

SH did exactly the same!

I wonder how many letters he's written like this over the years regarding other alleged issues? I've got letters very similar.

[mike tesko]

Police records confirm that Sheila was present in the kitchen (7.37and 7.38am), and that her body was not upstairs in any bedroom by 8.10am. Additionally the rifle which was later photographed in Sheila's possession by 'DC 'Oakey (25) and PC Bird (26, onward) was confirmed resting against a first floor window by 7.15am...

No lies, no bullshit, but good old fashioned police records, containing information which the cops and the CPS daren't risk informing the jury which tried the matter about...

Why?

[Adam]

https://youtu.be/65t__yHjAjk

Here is a new video on the window.

[Roch]

https://youtu.be/65t__yHjAjk

Here is a new video on the window.

Kaldin - have you seen this video before?  It's one of the more professionally made ones. 

[Steve_uk]

https://youtu.be/65t__yHjAjk

Here is a new video on the window.

At 5:42 they've cut off one sentence: " One window in particular in the kitchen could be closed from the outside by banging the window."

[Roch]

At 5:42 they've cut off one sentence: " One window in particular in the kitchen could be closed from the outside by banging the window."

I think the issue relates to 'closed but not locked'.

[Kaldin]

Kaldin - have you seen this video before?  It's one of the more professionally made ones.

Hi Roch. I haven't seen it before, so thanks for posting it. The window isn't something I've paid a lot of attention to, so I'll have to look into it more. I did think that he allegedly gained entrance to the house via a different window and exited via the kitchen window.

The first thing I thought whilst watching the video is whether or not anyone checked for footprints outside the window, or fingerprints on the window before these experiments were started. If they didn't, that was a terrible mistake.

I'd like to know how Jeremy got in or out of a window without disturbing anything on the window sill,  how Anne Eaton and Julie Mugford knew about the issues with the window, and also how the police knew that the doors were bolted before they got into the house.

[Roch]

Hi Roch. I haven't seen it before, so thanks for posting it. The window isn't something I've paid a lot of attention to, so I'll have to look into it more. I did think that he allegedly gained entrance to the house via a different window and exited via the kitchen window.

The first thing I thought whilst watching the video is whether or not anyone checked for footprints outside the window, or fingerprints on the window before these experiments were started. If they didn't, that was a terrible mistake.

I'd like to know how Jeremy got in or out of a window without disturbing anything on the window sill,  how Anne Eaton and Julie Mugford knew about the issues with the window, and also how the police knew that the doors were bolted before they got into the house.

Yeah I thought you might be interested in it.  There's been a good few videos produced since you were last on the forum.  Varying quality in production.  Some good ones though.

[Steve_uk]

Hi Roch. I haven't seen it before, so thanks for posting it. The window isn't something I've paid a lot of attention to, so I'll have to look into it more. I did think that he allegedly gained entrance to the house via a different window and exited via the kitchen window.

The first thing I thought whilst watching the video is whether or not anyone checked for footprints outside the window, or fingerprints on the window before these experiments were started. If they didn't, that was a terrible mistake.

I'd like to know how Jeremy got in or out of a window without disturbing anything on the window sill,  how Anne Eaton and Julie Mugford knew about the issues with the window, and also how the police knew that the doors were bolted before they got into the house.

Things were out of place on the window sill, as noted by housekeeper Jean Boutell, but as usual the Police will be blamed so this is yet one more indicator to be disregarded.

[Kaldin]

In that video there's a statement from DC Barlow that when he experimented with the window, he couldn't get the latch to close because it was stiff. However, in his notes he didn't say that. He said "One window in particular in the kitchen could be closed from the outside (by banging on window). I don't know when he took those notes.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3185.0.html

[lookout]

The windows had been painted before the murders.

[Kaldin]

Things were out of place on the window sill, as noted by housekeeper Jean Boutell, but as usual the Police will be blamed so this is yet one more indicator to be disregarded.

She said that the yellow sink tidy was upright and that it was usually placed flat. I can't see why Jeremy or anyone would place it in an upright position in order to get out of the window because it was still in the way. She also said that the washing up liquid was somewhere it shouldn't have been - in front of the window. It was supposed to be in the left hand corner of the windowsill. Again, I can't see why Jeremy or anyone would move it in front of the window.

[maggie]

She said that the yellow sink tidy was upright and that it was usually placed flat. I can't see why Jeremy or anyone would place it in an upright position in order to get out of the window because it was still in the way. She also said that the washing up liquid was somewhere it shouldn't have been - in front of the window. It was supposed to be in the left hand corner of the windowsill. Again, I can't see why Jeremy or anyone would move it in front of the window.

I must say it does apper to be clutching at straws as anyone could have moved the flipping thing and it proves absolutely nothing imo.