The window catch issue

[David1819]

There is proof he could have entered and exited both windows. Bamber said so himself.

Bamber said so himself? Why do you suddenly take his word for things?


Very well then, It can now be confirmed he could not have shut or locked the windows from the outside  thus cannot have left via a window that night! The proof? Bamber said so himself! 

[Adam]

Bamber said so himself? Why do you suddenly take his word for things?


Very well then, It can now be confirmed he could not have shut or locked the windows from the outside  thus cannot have left via a window that night! The proof? Bamber said so himself! 

Bamber knew all windows being shut was a trump card. So was never going to admit to being able to bang shut the kitchen window. But 20 sources outweigh him.

He felt comfortable enough to say he could get in and out of the kitchen and bathroom windows. So it would be no surprise he knew how to bang shut one of them from outside.

[Adam]

Lets not forget Nugs 's thread. Bamber could have climbed through the upstairs main bedroom window. Where Nevile and June were.

[David1819]

Bamber knew all windows being shut was a trump card. So was never going to admit to being able to bang shut the kitchen window. But 20 sources outweigh him.

He felt comfortable enough to say he could get in and out of the kitchen and bathroom windows. So it would be no surprise he knew how to bang shut one of them from outside.

That would mean he is lying and telling the truth in the same answer?

Thus Jeremy both tells the truth and lies if and when it suits you.

Your 20 sources is simply 20 things you have made up 

[David1819]

Lets not forget Nugs 's thread. Bamber could have climbed through the upstairs main bedroom window. Where Nevile and June were.

That window was only open a few inches, Plus if he had tried to climb over and out that way, the frames would probably brake and fall down with him. its a single glazed window with thin wooden rows.

[Adam]

That would mean he is lying and telling the truth in the same answer?

Thus Jeremy both tells the truth and lies if and when it suits you.

Your 20 sources is simply 20 things you have made up 

How can links to 20 sources be made up ?

Correct he did tell the truth. And then lie.

Truth - he could get in and out of various windows.

Lie - He didn't know the kitchen window could be banged shut from outside.

Simple.

[Adam]

That window was only open a few inches, Plus if he had tried to climb over and out that way, the frames would probably brake and fall down with him. its a single glazed window with thin wooden rows.

So Nugs's thread was a waste ?

[lookout]

A bit like some of your own !!

[guest7363]

And the catches placed themselves in a locked position,did they ?

10.00am 22of August, D/Constable Barlow went to WHF and made a note in his pocket book, the window over the kitchen sink could be closed from the outside with the handle in the up position and this would fall down in the locking position when banged?

[David1819]

So Nugs's thread was a waste ?

Not as much as most the stuff you put on here

[David1819]

10.00am 22of August, D/Constable Barlow went to WHF and made a note in his pocket book, the window over the kitchen sink could be closed from the outside with the handle in the up position and this would fall down in the locking position when banged?

The opposite is the case

[guest2181]

Your completely missing the point. I find the idea of Jeremy leaning through the window from the outside putting the items back all neat and tidy before he cycles off into the night rather silly IMO.

I'm not so sure that I am.

I don't know how he entered and left, nobody needs to or is even able to pin down the specifics. It is simply accepted that it 'was' possible for him to have done so.

Perhaps you have missed the point?   

[David1819]

I'm not so sure that I am.

I don't know how he entered and left, nobody needs to or is even able to pin down the specifics. It is simply accepted that it 'was' possible for him to have done so.

Perhaps you have missed the point?   

My point is, If Jeremy left via that window he would have disturbed and knocked over those bottles and items around the sink and window. This means if he left via that window he must have then leaned forward through the window from the outside and placed everything back so it was tidy. Of course its possible but I find it very unlikely. Shoehorning Jeremy into the crime scene like this starts to become farfetched IMO

[guest2181]

My point is, If Jeremy left via that window he would have disturbed and knocked over those bottles and items around the sink and window. This means if he left via that window he must have then leaned forward through the window from the outside and placed everything back so it was tidy. Of course its possible but I find it very unlikely. Shoehorning Jeremy into the crime scene like this starts to become farfetched IMO

I really don't think it does David. Whilst they don't need to be specific about particular routes, the kitchen window was up there as one of the favourites. You may think it's silly, but that doesn't really mean a great deal.

Heck, there wasn't that much stuff in front of the window, it's not out of the question that he purposely placed the items there to   make it appear as if obstacles were in the way. Setting the scene, just like he did in other areas (bible, Sheila, phone call).

Or he just left via another unspecified and unknown route.

Sounds like you want to 'shoehorn' JB in to a particular route.

 It's a bit strange really, because if you did actually strengthen the case that he left via that window, then surely you are just reinforcing his guilt?

[Adam]

My point is, If Jeremy left via that window he would have disturbed and knocked over those bottles and items around the sink and window. This means if he left via that window he must have then leaned forward through the window from the outside and placed everything back so it was tidy. Of course its possible but I find it very unlikely. Shoehorning Jeremy into the crime scene like this starts to become farfetched IMO

He moved the items in front of the kitchen window before exciting. As confirmed by the housekeeper.

If items by the kitchen window had been knocked over, that would even more strongly show he excited that way.