The window catch issue

[lookout]

Do you agree with Mike that the police put the rifle there ?

Yes.

[Adam]

Yes.

Why do you think they did this ?

[guest2181]

Have you got a picture of the open bedroom window at the crime scene ? The one I have seen the window is too small for Bamber to get through.

If Bamber climbed out of the window you have shown, he would have pushed it back up to the top.

You can't possibly know that he would have closed it. As he couldn't secure the latch, he may have left it open slightly to give the impression it was left like that for ventilation.

[Adam]

You can't possibly know that he would have closed it. As he couldn't secure the latch, he may have left it open slightly to give the impression it was left like that for ventilation.

That picture does not show whether the gap was big enough for him to get through.

Bamber would have pushed the window up to the top if he had got out of a window you showed me. It wouldn't lock but would stay in place.

The only upstairs window I have seen open was too small for Bamber to get through. Which is why he didn't bother shutting it while inside WHF. 

[guest2181]

That picture does not show whether the gap was big enough for him to get through.

Bamber would have pushed the window up to the top if he had got out of a window you showed me. It wouldn't lock but would stay in place.

The only upstairs window I have seen open was too small for Bamber to get through. Which is why he didn't bother shutting it while inside WHF.

The whole bottom sash slides up. I'm not sure how I can explain it any clearer to you. 

[David1819]

What utter claptrap. 

Your simplest solution involves a complex and coordinated conspiracy.

The conspiracy was crude, shoddy and uncoordinated.

Surely the simplest solution is as per the evidence tested at trial, two appeals and further investigation by the independent CCRC?

The CCRC have on at least two occasions in this case rejected the evidence of expert witnesses without obtaining the support of other experts to oppose them. The state clings onto the conviction in anyway they can, they shape and mould the evidence to fit any excuse they come up with, why? Because they simply cannot afford to back down. The political ramifications of knowing they were wrong is immeasurable.

[Adam]

The whole bottom sash slides up. I'm not sure how I can explain it any clearer to you. 

Have you the outside picture of WHF taken at the crime scene, showing the open upstairs window ? Third request.

If you haven't, just say. I can't find it either.

Showing me a picture of the rifle and half a window, or the outside of the front of WHF is not enough.

[guest2181]

Have you the outside picture of WHF taken at the crime scene, showing the open upstairs window ? Third request.

If you haven't, just say. I can't find it either.

Showing me a picture of the rifle and half a window, or the outside of the front of WHF is not enough.

I'm sure you can source your own documents/photographs if you wish to use them to make a particular point. I am aware that the window was open with the top sash slid down about four  inches.

It is not being theorised that JB squeezed through a four inch gap. 

[Adam]

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=633.msg25945#msg25945

This link has a better picture of the window you posted. Although it is not picture I have previously seen which was taken outside WHF. 

The gap in the window Bamber could not have got through although you say it could be pushed down further.

Anyway there is a lot of evidence he exited through the kitchen window. And none he exited through an upstairs window.

[guest2181]

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=633.msg25945#msg25945
Anyway there is a lot of evidence he exited through the kitchen window. And none he exited through an upstairs window.

No there isn't.

There is no evidence whatsoever that he exited through the kitchen or the bedroom windows, or by any other means. It is merely the case that it was possible for him to do so.

[Adam]

No there isn't.

There is no evidence whatsoever that he exited through the kitchen or the bedroom windows, or by any other means. It is merely the case that it was possible for him to do so.

There is a mountain of forensic and witness evidence. Please see post -

 #276 on: Today at 09:29 AM »

And get you're facts correct.

[guest2181]

There is a mountain of forensic and witness evidence. Please see post -

 #276 on: Today at 09:29 AM »

And get you're facts correct.

Our definitions of the word 'evidence' differ somewhat.

[Adam]

The police, DPP, jury and appeal courts have found Bamber guilty. This evidence of guilt automatically means it is not disputed he exited out of one of the windows.

The only and overwhelming forensic and witness evidence is he exited out of the kitchen window. Supported by Bamber himself saying he knew how to exit it.

What more do people want ? A video of Bamber doing this on the massacre night, from a passer by who just happened to be carrying a video recorder ?

[guest2181]

The police, DPP, jury and appeal courts have found Bamber guilty. This evidence of guilt automatically means it is not disputed he exited out of one of the windows.

The only and overwhelming forensic and witness evidence is he exited out of the kitchen window. Supported by Bamber himself saying he knew how to exit it.

What more do people want ? A video of Bamber doing this on the massacre night, from a passer by who just happened to be carrying a video recorder ?

It remains the case, that there is no direct evidence pin pointing how JB exited the house.

[lookout]

Pity the present photograph of the kitchen window hadn't been shown at the trial-------it didn't see daylight until 2011  ! Just something else which had been swept aside along with MOUNTAINS of other files/docs. and photos,UNSEEN.