The window catch issue

[guest7363]

Yes,he'd warned JB about the fact that Sheila had one of his guns----------remember ?

I would have thought he wouldn't have wanted him to come over if he wanted to give him an Alibi, why phone him at all, just phone the police.  Maybe the OT could give it a go, this theory?

[lookout]

I would have thought he wouldn't have wanted him to come over if he wanted to give him an Alibi, why phone him at all, just phone the police.  Maybe the OT could give it a go, this theory?

The CT seem to be well ahead and confident in stating that as well as Neville phoning Jeremy that he also rang the police so I'm not arguing with that,especially as the CT have a legal team backing them. There are very few theories left as the truth is being eked out gradually.

It's not so much that Neville had wished/wanted JB at the farmhouse,it was more a warning of things to come. None of us know how much more Neville had to say,if anything,but if he had added anything else it would have accounted for JB's trepidation when seeking a phone number for the police.

[Roch]

Video about the exits being secure and the kitchen window in question..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65t__yHjAjk&feature=youtu.be

[Roch]

The simplest solution is usually the best....

No disrespect meant...

However, with regard to the exits being secured and locked etc..

The simplest solution is that Sheila Caffell committed filicide and parricide within the farmhouse. 

[lookout]

That I would agree with Roch.
There seems to be no question about that fact.

[guest2181]

No disrespect meant...

However, with regard to the exits being secured and locked etc..

The simplest solution is that Sheila Caffell committed (double?) filicide and (double?) parricide within the farmhouse.

What utter claptrap. 

Your simplest solution involves a complex and coordinated conspiracy.

Surely the simplest solution is as per the evidence tested at trial, two appeals and further investigation by the independent CCRC?


I'm not sure of your use of parricide/filicide? Does that work as a plural? 

[Roch]

I love it, Jeremy murders five people including two small children out of pure greed, and you save your mocking scorn for Robert Boutflour.

It probably was a facetious remark, nevertheless, he did like to theorise.  As for Jeremy, I'm not so sure as you are Hartley.

Okay the guitar string suggestion is a bit out there, I quite agree, but nevertheless the ability to covertly gain access and egress to the house was proven, admitted and accepted unchallenged by the defence. I don't really see how JB can come back from that and try to contest the notion some 30 odd years later. 

One wonders why the notion wasn't originally challenged. There's no logic in it but why does that matter. 

It's the issue about the house actually being secure when inspected by police, that is causing many people to be puzzled.  This issue is not about the windows seeming to be secure after egress.

[guest2181]

It's the issue about the house actually being secure when inspected by police, that is causing many people to be puzzled.  This issue is not about the windows seeming to be secure after egress.

I don't think there is any puzzlement if people just stick to the facts, rather than trying to manipulate interpretations in to some other biased meaning. Like that video you linked to, which is utter nonsense.

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As a very quick summary:

The police state that they found the windows & doors to be secure, with the exception of the dairy window and the master bedroom window. (The dairy window is too small for a person to fit through).

There is then the discovery that the kitchen window could be secured from the outside.
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Let's not over complicate things here.

[Roch]

I don't think there is any puzzlement if people just stick to the facts, rather than trying to manipulate interpretations in to some other biased meaning. Like that video you linked to, which is utter nonsense.

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As a very quick summary:

The police state that they found the windows & doors to be secure, with the exception of the dairy window and the master bedroom window. (The dairy window is too small for a person to fit through).

There is then the discovery that the kitchen window could be secured from the outside.
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Let's not over complicate things here.

I think the video speaks for itself... and quite well, i.m.o.

You seem to be suggesting that it was discovered the kitchen window could be fully secured (as discovered by police on the morning of the incident) from the outside?

[guest2181]

I think the video speaks for itself... and quite well, i.m.o.

Let's call it what it is, a piece of propaganda by people with a predetermined conclusion, attempting to sway other peoples opinions with lies.

You seem to be suggesting that it was discovered the kitchen window could be fully secured (as discovered by police on the morning of the incident) from the outside?

It was discovered that the window could be secured from the outside. Experiments were conducted.

The attempt to concoct a different picture by talking about window catch positions etc, is simply subterfuge. Particularly when the window itself hasn't actually been pin pointed as the route of exit.

Isn't it also documented that the window was opened at some stage whilst the police were in the house (flies/smell or something). Was this before or after the PC Bird commenced taking photographs at about 10am?

The master bedroom window is another possibility, there may well be others that JB knew but hasn't shared.

The ability to have exited the house, allows JB to be a suspect, other evidence shows that he is guilty (as tested in court and at two appeals and by the CCRC's independent reviews). The evidence showing his guilt also supports the fact that he could exit the house.

[guest2181]

The image below speaks for itself.

[notsure]

The image below speaks for itself.

except the top hung window was also secured on its latches wasn't it. As stated all windows and doors were secured on thier latches except the bedroom window.

This is getting ridiculous. He's not houdini, I think I prefer the ladder explanation.

[maggie]

Let's call it what it is, a piece of propaganda by people with a predetermined conclusion, attempting to sway other peoples opinions with lies.


It was discovered that the window could be secured from the outside. Experiments were conducted.

The attempt to concoct a different picture by talking about window catch positions etc, is simply subterfuge. Particularly when the window itself hasn't actually been pin pointed as the route of exit.

Isn't it also documented that the window was opened at some stage whilst the police were in the house (flies/smell or something). Was this before or after the PC Bird commenced taking photographs at about 10am?

The master bedroom window is another possibility, there may well be others that JB knew but hasn't shared.

The ability to have exited the house, allows JB to be a suspect, other evidence shows that he is guilty (as tested in court and at two appeals and by the CCRC's independent reviews). The evidence showing his guilt also supports the fact that he could exit the house.

Hi Harters, I agree that the possibility JB left by the bedroom window is worthy of consideration. 

[Roch]

Hi Harters, I agree that the possibility JB left by the bedroom window is worthy of consideration.

But not much consideration? 

[Roch]

Let's call it what it is, a piece of propaganda by people with a predetermined conclusion, attempting to sway other peoples opinions with lies.

Like all the pro-relative and pro-police television 'docus' over the years, with a far wider audience?

This is getting ridiculous.

Wholly concur.