The window catch issue

[lookout]

It appears that there is a way to lock the WHF kitchen window on leaving the house.

If you take fine wire like a high A string off a 12 string guitar, or very strong string, open the window slightly and drop the ends between the panes and loop it over the lever. close the window and pull the wire until it locks. let go of one end of the string and pull it out with the other end.

You don't seem to understand that on the base of the locking device there are two lugs of which when the catch is placed it has to be flush/level with these two lugs in order for the holes on the window catch to then fit flush and level. This can only be done from the inside.
We've heard about 100 times that the windows had been secured-----------meaning from the inside.

No amount of string or guitar wire would work.

[guest2181]

And who told or taught you that?

Jeremy 

[maggie]

I have seen this on the forum before but never any official statement from AP or any other family member to corroborate it?

Hi Caroline
It's in Lomax's book isn't it?  I know Lomax may have got this from JB so it's true it may be another myth..... I'm not sure.  
I agree it seems strangely apathetic of Nevill and June to be so uninterested in security.   

[Jane]

Hi Caroline
It's in Lomax's book isn't it?  I know Lomax may have got this from JB so it's true it may be another myth..... I'm not sure.  
I agree it seems strangely apathetic of Nevill and June to be so uninterested in security.

It blows, well out of the window -pun in tended- all myths about panic alarms being in stalled. It would have been like putting water in a sieve.

[Romeo]

Jeremy 

 

[Romeo]

You don't seem to understand that on the base of the locking device there are two lugs of which when the catch is placed it has to be flush/level with these two lugs in order for the holes on the window catch to then fit flush and level. This can only be done from the inside.
We've heard about 100 times that the windows had been secured-----------meaning from the inside.

No amount of string or guitar wire would work.

Has anyone a close up photo showing the kitchen window locking system at WHF as lookout describes ?
By the way lookout...I disagree!

[lookout]

Has anyone a close up photo showing the kitchen window locking system at WHF as lookout describes ?
By the way lookout...I disagree!

Maybe you've never had the pleasure of experiencing Georgian/Victorian modes of security.
Why not argue the toss with EP themselves and ask them whether the windows had been secured or not------they seemed to have known everything else.
I don't expect you to agree anyway !

[David1819]

I have seen this on the forum before but never any official statement from AP or any other family member to corroborate it?

Its mentioned in the 1993 documentary, That AE remembered they would sometimes entered WHF via the toilet window when they were kids.

That's where I first heard about it.   

[Roch]

Jeremy 

Sounds more like an Uncle Bobby theory...

[Romeo]

Maybe you've never had the pleasure of experiencing Georgian/Victorian modes of security.
Why not argue the toss with EP themselves and ask them whether the windows had been secured or not------they seemed to have known everything else.
I don't expect you to agree anyway !

I'm not saying the windows weren't secure....they were! But they could have been secured from the outside. I have experienced Georgian/Victorian modes of window security I also believe that the method I suggested could have been used on these windows.

[guest2181]

Sounds more like an Uncle Bobby theory...

I love it, Jeremy murders five people including two small children out of pure greed, and you save your mocking scorn for Robert Boutflour.

Okay the guitar string suggestion is a bit out there, I quite agree, but nevertheless the ability to covertly gain access and egress to the house was proven, admitted and accepted unchallenged by the defence. I don't really see how JB can come back from that and try to contest the notion some 30 odd years later. 

One wonders why the notion wasn't originally challenged. There's no logic in it but why does that matter. 

[Romeo]

I love it, Jeremy murders five people including two small children out of pure greed, and you save your mocking scorn for Robert Boutflour.

Okay the guitar string suggestion is a bit out there, I quite agree, but nevertheless the ability to covertly gain access and egress to the house was proven, admitted and accepted unchallenged by the defence. I don't really see how JB can come back from that and try to contest the notion some 30 odd years later. 

One wonders why the notion wasn't originally challenged. There's no logic in it but why does that matter. 

Hartley....the guitar wire was an example of how fine the wire would need to be, I'm not suggesting JB used that particular type of wire.

[guest2181]

Hartley....the guitar wire was an example of how fine the wire would need to be, I'm not suggesting JB used that particular type of wire.

Yeah I know, it's simply a fact that a person could exit and leave the house apparently secure. As for the kitchen window, the fanlight could be locked from the outside (as tested by the police and documented), via that fanlight a person could move the casement catches in to a locked position from the outside, either by reaching in with their arm or extending their reach with a stick (or similar).

I don't really see how that can be denied. In any event it doesn't point blame necessarily at JB, it just allows the possibility that another person was involved.

[lookout]

Because everyone knew about the windows being entries/exits,I'd have blamed any one of them !
ALL had a vested interest.
Neville had previously felt the wrath of one of them.
ALL had motives.

[guest2181]

Because everyone knew about the windows being entries/exits,I'd have blamed any one of them !
ALL had a vested interest.
Neville had previously felt the wrath of one of them.
ALL had motives.

The access/egress allows the possibility of suspects from outside the property. You may blame anybody you like but the phone call evidence limits it to Sheila or Jeremy.