The window catch issue

[guest7363]

If you slide the bottom sash up, the opening is 740mm wide and 615mm high.

Thanks for that Hartley.

[guest7363]

Why the need to keep getting in and out windows has always puzzled me. It Looks like he has been in and out all the ground floor windows at some stage, I would have thought that if you had to get in a house once through a window you would use the same window all the time, why keep changing windows to make an entry,  could it be he was perfecting his method  to see which window would be best?  I would also have thought breaking in and out of a window would damage catches and make them less secure?
Not many people in their lifetime have to climb in and out of a window, anyone doing so makes sure it doesn't happen again even though there was a spare key in the coal shed, but with Bamber he must have liked the art of deception.

Same when he did the robbery, he had to make it look like it was someone else, to test security he said, how many would take the money in the first place,why not bring it up at the next meeting, how many would show someone else, who was not family (Julie) how to break into the family business?

When he was asked about the windows he could get in and out, he replied with his answer that you can flick the catch on the sash with any thin metal object, but you cannot close them, looks to me he had been practising this and in a way it was a taunt to the police.

[lookout]

The " in and out " of various windows would indicate to me that whichever window hadn't been secured at the time. There could have been instances where perhaps only one of the windows was insecure at the time whereas that's the one that would have been used. It wouldn't have been a matter of picking and choosing.
Also,we don't know if instructions were ever left on which window to use if needed. I doubt that either parent would go out and leave all the windows downstairs to the mercy of anyone wanting to gain entry,particularly as it was known that other family members gained entry this way.

[guest7363]

The " in and out " of various windows would indicate to me that whichever window hadn't been secured at the time. There could have been instances where perhaps only one of the windows was insecure at the time whereas that's the one that would have been used. It wouldn't have been a matter of picking and choosing.
Also,we don't know if instructions were ever left on which window to use if needed. I doubt that either parent would go out and leave all the windows downstairs to the mercy of anyone wanting to gain entry,particularly as it was known that other family members gained entry this way.

I would have thought word would have passed around, if you need to get in theirs a spare key in whereve, don't keep using the windows to enter. 

[lookout]

I would have thought word would have passed around, if you need to get in theirs a spare key in whereve, don't keep using the windows to enter.

I don't think it was known whether there was a spare key or not because by all accounts Jeremy didn't have a key anyway,hence why he used the windows.

[Caroline]

I don't think it was known whether there was a spare key or not because by all accounts Jeremy didn't have a key anyway,hence why he used the windows.

He knew there was a spare key in one of the sheds.

As Justice says, it seems odd that he had accessed the house through almost all of the ground floor windows. Surely, this would be a security issue for his parents because if he could get in, then so could a burglar. It 'seems' unlikely that his parents knew they had such security problems?

[Caroline]

It's true JB and most of the younger members of the family including Anthony Pargiter often entered the farmhouse via various windows but they have not claimed the Windows could be secured from outside the house.

I have seen this on the forum before but never any official statement from AP or any other family member to corroborate it?

[Adam]

Aren't they the same people?

Who knows ? But wouldn't be surprised if Trudie had a hand in giving guilters another open goal.

Forget about the claim that Barlow apparently 'skimmed over' the horizontal lock not being in it's pegs, although he testified this was the case. No supporters have tried to justify why Neville or June did not put the lock on it's pegs if they were the ones who shut the window. 

One of Trudies last vlogs was on Bamber's cycle ride. Which highlighted how easy it was. There was even a bench on the pathway. It has previously been claimed the bike route was like rowing through a swamp. Her vlogs have since quietly stopped.

[guest7363]

He knew there was a spare key in one of the sheds.

As Justice says, it seems odd that he had accessed the house through almost all of the ground floor windows. Surely, this would be a security issue for his parents because if he could get in, then so could a burglar. It 'seems' unlikely that his parents knew they had such security problems?

To me it shows a lack of trust they had in him, it was his family home, his place of work, it's where the business office was.  Seems to me, once he admitted to the burglary, access was denied, or they thought?

[lookout]

His way of entrance set a precedent for others ?

[guest2181]

Who knows ?

Everybody, apart from your good self it would appear? 

http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/jb-campaign-ltd-and-directors

[Roch]

Who knows ? But wouldn't be surprised if Trudie had a hand in giving guilters another open goal.

Forget about the claim that Barlow apparently 'skimmed over' the horizontal lock not being in it's pegs, although he testified this was the case. No supporters have tried to justify why Neville or June did not put the lock on it's pegs if they were the ones who shut the window. 

One of Trudies last vlogs was on Bamber's cycle ride. Which highlighted how easy it was. There was even a bench on the pathway. It has previously been claimed the bike route was like rowing through a swamp. Her vlogs have since quietly stopped.

Adam - How much do you get paid for coming on here?  Your hours seem to be 36.25 per week 

[guest2181]

I have seen this on the forum before but never any official statement from AP or any other family member to corroborate it?

No, me neither.

The relatives various statements give no suggestion that they had prior knowledge of these alternative entrances in to the house.

[Romeo]

It appears that there is a way to lock the WHF kitchen window on leaving the house.

If you take fine wire like a high A string off a 12 string guitar, or very strong string, open the window slightly and drop the ends between the panes and loop it over the lever. close the window and pull the wire until it locks. let go of one end of the string and pull it out with the other end.

[Roch]

It appears that there is a way to lock the WHF kitchen window on leaving the house.

If you take fine wire like a high A string off a 12 string guitar, or very strong string, open the window slightly and drop the ends between the panes and loop it over the lever. close the window and pull the wire until it locks. let go of one end of the string and pull it out with the other end.

And who told or taught you that?