Author Topic: When the enquiry changed from a suicide to murder did the relatives have alibis?  (Read 32577 times)

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John

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Exactly, Lady C, where is this hard evidence of JB's guilt? The police could find nothing to link him to the murder scene: no forensics, no blood, no injuries on JB, no mud on the bicycle.

What was the motive for Bamber to brutally slaughter all of the members of his entire immediate family? Doesn't the alleged greed motive break down in the light of the share of his frail and elderly grandmother's substantial estate that Bamber would have inherited within months had he not been charged with these murders?

The most damning allegations against Bamber were only made by his girlfriend after he'd cuckolded her: this key witness, given immunity from prosecution for her crimes, sold her story to the News Of The World for an astonishingly high sum, sufficient to purchase a flat (and a good time overseas?). She had, on her own admission, attempted to smother Jeremy to prevent him leaving her and seeing someone else.

Most of the remaining allegations were made by an extended family who stood to lose substantial shares in their homes, farms and business if Jeremy was found to be innocent. 

All the while, vital evidence which supported Bamber's innocence never saw the light of day in the courtroom because it was suppressed. Jeremy Bamber's conviction was secured beneath the veil of secrecy of a PII gagging order. The substantial amount of evidence witheld from the defence and court, thanks to the misapplication of this shadowy instrument of suppression, meant that the truth of what really happened at White House Farm on 7th August 1985 could never be determined. Bamber was convicted of five murders and condemned to die in prison without Bamber, his defence or the jury ever knowing what the case against him really was or what evidence existed in support of his innocence or guilt.

This to me is the most damning evidence of this entire case: that which was suppressed. This suppression of evidence under the auspices of PII has thrown a veil of secrecy around this case which predjudiced and precluded a just outcome. It precluded Bamber and his defence team properly understanding the case against JB. It prevented Bamber properly defending himself. It thereby denied Jeremy Bamber a fair trial

Wrong Keira, why do you continue to invent facts which fit with your fantasy?

The bicycle wheels were caked in mud along the tyre walls evidencing that they had been through fields.

The motive was pure greed for money Keira, money and power!  Didn't his frail grandmother disinherit him Keira...I wonder why?   ;)

It was Julie Mugford who left him actually after she overheard him speaking on the phone with an old flame.  Didn't he force her arm up her back in a fit of rage...nice chap!

No matter what you try to say about the other facts about him they are corroborated in many instances by outsiders.  I am afraid your portrayal of Jeremy as the loving honourable son leaves much to be desired Keira...the truth is patently different I am afraid!   :P

Your assumption that the documents or photos can and will in some way give effect to Jeremy's exoneration is pure fantasy. Just because information is withheld in the public interest doesn't in any stretch of the imagination mean that they could support Jeremy in some way. Balderdash!

We know what happened at White House farm that night and no amount of silly theories will ever change that!




John

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John...........you are quite right.Arrogance and greed does not make someone a murderer! So why is JB incacerated? Because he was well and truly stitched up,that is why! Why would someone murder their entire family for an inheritance that was going to be theirs anyway? I will believe totally in JBs guilt when I am shown some hard evidence.Because testimonys from people who stood to gain financially from JBs conviction and a "magically appearing"  bloodied sound moderator,just dont do it for me!

I don't understand how you can possibly come to the conclusion he was stitched up your ladyship.  If anything occurred he stitched himself up with his big mouth.

He wasn't going to get the inheritance so that is your first wrongful assumption.  June had made it quite clear that her estate was going to go to Nicholas and Daniel and I have my suspicions that Nevill was on the verge of doing the same thing.  Jeremy was as they say, about to get his marching orders!


John, the last time you made this entirely unsustantiated claim I asked you for proof. You couldn't provide proof because you clearly don't have any.

Now I'm asking you again: put up, or shut up!

The evidence is all there, June was about to change her will and Nevill was seen in tears, wringing his hands with trepidation over Jeremy's antics.  Inheritance...what inheritance...he was going to be out on his lughole in a very short time.

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John...........you are quite right.Arrogance and greed does not make someone a murderer! So why is JB incacerated? Because he was well and truly stitched up,that is why! Why would someone murder their entire family for an inheritance that was going to be theirs anyway? I will believe totally in JBs guilt when I am shown some hard evidence.Because testimonys from people who stood to gain financially from JBs conviction and a "magically appearing"  bloodied sound moderator,just dont do it for me!

I don't understand how you can possibly come to the conclusion he was stitched up your ladyship.  If anything occurred he stitched himself up with his big mouth.

He wasn't going to get the inheritance so that is your first wrongful assumption.  June had made it quite clear that her estate was going to go to Nicholas and Daniel and I have my suspicions that Nevill was on the verge of doing the same thing.  Jeremy was as they say, about to get his marching orders!

What did Jeremy do that was so terrible that they were about to disinherit him? Is this true at all? Where is that information from?
In any case I think it is a terrible way to treat your child. I don´t think the Bambers can have been particularly good parents. Both their children had drug problems. June called her daughter "the Devil´s child" - that lingered with poor Sheila and she projected this to her own sons. It is an awful thing to say to your child - especially an adopted child!

 The only place this disinheritance threat ever existed, abs, is as a figment of John's imagination. I asked him for proof some time ago but he was unable to provide any.

More gossip...

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What did Jeremy do that was so terrible that they were about to disinherit him? Is this true at all? Where is that information from?
In any case I think it is a terrible way to treat your child. I don´t think the Bambers can have been particularly good parents. Both their children had drug problems. June called her daughter "the Devil´s child" - that lingered with poor Sheila and she projected this to her own sons. It is an awful thing to say to your child - especially an adopted child!

How about trash the caravan site, set fire to parts of it and rob money from it?  Not normal behaviour exactly is it from a dear loving son?

June undoubtedly had mental health problems too, are you going to hold that against her?

June and Nevill were excellent parents, it seems that Sheila and Jeremy changed after they had been out in the big wide world. I am quite sure the Bamber's were horrified by Jeremy's association with a married woman before he came into contact with Muggy.

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John...........you are quite right.Arrogance and greed does not make someone a murderer! So why is JB incacerated? Because he was well and truly stitched up,that is why! Why would someone murder their entire family for an inheritance that was going to be theirs anyway? I will believe totally in JBs guilt when I am shown some hard evidence.Because testimonys from people who stood to gain financially from JBs conviction and a "magically appearing"  bloodied sound moderator,just dont do it for me!

I don't understand how you can possibly come to the conclusion he was stitched up your ladyship.  If anything occurred he stitched himself up with his big mouth.

He wasn't going to get the inheritance so that is your first wrongful assumption.  June had made it quite clear that her estate was going to go to Nicholas and Daniel and I have my suspicions that Nevill was on the verge of doing the same thing.  Jeremy was as they say, about to get his marching orders!

What did Jeremy do that was so terrible that they were about to disinherit him? Is this true at all? Where is that information from?
In any case I think it is a terrible way to treat your child. I don´t think the Bambers can have been particularly good parents. Both their children had drug problems. June called her daughter "the Devil´s child" - that lingered with poor Sheila and she projected this to her own sons. It is an awful thing to say to your child - especially an adopted child!

 The only place this disinheritance threat ever existed, abs, is as a figment of John's imagination. I asked him for proof some time ago but he was unable to provide any.

More gossip...

You would like to think so but you are sorely mistaken lovey!   ;D ;D

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Cliff...........I was not refering to Ralph when I stated that they are a money driven family.I meant the relatives who are still alive!
And John.......How can you state that June was a great parent? If you ever take time to read the book by Colin Caffell (who had first hand experience of Junes parenting skills)you will actually learn that she was the cause of her adopted childrens personality problems!

John

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Cliff...........I was not refering to Ralph when I stated that they are a money driven family.I meant the relatives who are still alive!
And John.......How can you state that June was a great parent? If you ever take time to read the book by Colin Caffell (who had first hand experience of Junes parenting skills)you will actually learn that she was the cause of her adopted childrens personality problems!

So Colin Caffell was around when the children (Sheila and Jeremy) were being raised?   A simple yes or no will suffice!   :-*
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chelmsey

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Cliff...........I was not refering to Ralph when I stated that they are a money driven family.I meant the relatives who are still alive!
And John.......How can you state that June was a great parent? If you ever take time to read the book by Colin Caffell (who had first hand experience of Junes parenting skills)you will actually learn that she was the cause of her adopted childrens personality problems!

So Colin Caffell was around when the children (Sheila and Jeremy) were being raised?   A simple yes or no will suffice!   :-*

Yes regarding Jeremy and also Colins own children (the bambers grandchildren).It seems June did not stop treating Sheila like a child even once she became an adult.

John

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Cliff...........I was not refering to Ralph when I stated that they are a money driven family.I meant the relatives who are still alive!
And John.......How can you state that June was a great parent? If you ever take time to read the book by Colin Caffell (who had first hand experience of Junes parenting skills)you will actually learn that she was the cause of her adopted childrens personality problems!

So Colin Caffell was around when the children (Sheila and Jeremy) were being raised?   A simple yes or no will suffice!   :-*

Yes regarding Jeremy and also Colins own children (the bambers grandchildren).It seems June did not stop treating Sheila like a child even once she became an adult.

That's not what you stated, you stated that June and Nevill were bad parents. Please answer yes or no if Colin Caffell was around when they were growing up?

chelmsey

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Cliff...........I was not refering to Ralph when I stated that they are a money driven family.I meant the relatives who are still alive!
And John.......How can you state that June was a great parent? If you ever take time to read the book by Colin Caffell (who had first hand experience of Junes parenting skills)you will actually learn that she was the cause of her adopted childrens personality problems!

So Colin Caffell was around when the children (Sheila and Jeremy) were being raised?   A simple yes or no will suffice!   :-*

Yes regarding Jeremy and also Colins own children (the bambers grandchildren).It seems June did not stop treating Sheila like a child even once she became an adult.

That's not what you stated, you stated that June and Nevill were bad parents. Please answer yes or no if Colin Caffell was around when they were growing up?

WHERE do I state that they were BOTH bad parents?

John

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Cliff...........I was not refering to Ralph when I stated that they are a money driven family.I meant the relatives who are still alive!
And John.......How can you state that June was a great parent? If you ever take time to read the book by Colin Caffell (who had first hand experience of Junes parenting skills)you will actually learn that she was the cause of her adopted childrens personality problems!

So Colin Caffell was around when the children (Sheila and Jeremy) were being raised?   A simple yes or no will suffice!   :-*

Yes regarding Jeremy and also Colins own children (the bambers grandchildren).It seems June did not stop treating Sheila like a child even once she became an adult.

That's not what you stated, you stated that June and Nevill were bad parents. Please answer yes or no if Colin Caffell was around when they were growing up?

WHERE do I state that they were BOTH bad parents?

Was Colin Caffell around when Sheila and Jeremy were growing up?

I believe June caught Colin shagging her daughter in the hay field...what does that say about him?
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chelmsey

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I stated that CC alledges that June was the cause of her childrens personality problems.And yes,Colin was around when Jeremy was a teenager and with regards to Sheila ............they were married! Do you think that they did not discuss such things? Of course they did! And they both knew that Junes religious ramblings sowed the seed for Sheilas subsequent mental problems.

John

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I stated that CC alledges that June was the cause of her childrens personality problems.And yes,Colin was around when Jeremy was a teenager and with regards to Sheila ............they were married! Do you think that they did not discuss such things? Of course they did! And they both knew that Junes religious ramblings sowed the seed for Sheilas subsequent mental problems.

So he wasn't around when they were grow up, all hearsay as usual.  Now why does that surprise me, Colin Caffell making money out of his family's misfortune.

chelmsey

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They were not "shagging" in the hayfield John. Sheila had just had a termination for goodness sake!

John

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They were not "shagging" in the hayfield John. Sheila had just had a termination for goodness sake!

Well a witness gave evidence to that effect that June caught Caffell and Sheila naked in the hayfield.

I am quite sure that Sheila's problems had little to do with how June interpreted the Bible. Sheila was very much dependent on Nevill who seemed to be her knight in shining armour...just another reason why the allegation that Sheila shot him is totally preposterous!!
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