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Jackiepreece

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So when the police go in to whf and then come out and tell JB all the family are dead the first words he says  are the police must have killed them

If this was a plan why come out with something stupid like that you would have said something like I knew she would do something like that

If JB was innocent he was probably thinking this was one of her rages she has had before he was probably tired and pissed of being woken at that time and bear in mind this was the first time she had gone in a rage with a gun and then he saw the supposed shadow light he thought was someone so I can totally understand why he thought everyone was alive and thought the police had killed the family.

Shona regarding your comment why I think jeremy was innocent there is nothing that I have seen or read or any motive that makes me believe Jeremy could carry out these murders and I believe it was either Sheila or the relatives and I still believe there is something being witheld that would solve this case.
Unless everything is released Jeremy will be out of prison very soon because the general public won't put up with this witholding of evidence anymore.  The ccrc have had it on that one the public will turn against them.
This isn't just about Jeremy it's about the whole system and the police

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So when the police go in to whf and then come out and tell JB all the family are dead the first words he says  are the police must have killed them

If this was a plan why come out with something stupid like that you would have said something like I knew she would do something like that

If JB was innocent he was probably thinking this was one of her rages she has had before he was probably tired and pissed of being woken at that time and bear in mind this was the first time she had gone in a rage with a gun and then he saw the supposed shadow light he thought was someone so I can totally understand why he thought everyone was alive and thought the police had killed the family.

Shona regarding your comment why I think jeremy was innocent there is nothing that I have seen or read or any motive that makes me believe Jeremy could carry out these murders and I believe it was either Sheila or the relatives and I still believe there is something being witheld that would solve this case.
Unless everything is released Jeremy will be out of prison very soon because the general public won't put up with this witholding of evidence anymore.  The ccrc have had it on that one the public will turn against them.
This isn't just about Jeremy it's about the whole system and the police

Why Jackie do you think something is being withheld? Jeremys pretty insignificant to most people.

I remember the murders and the case, but before my brother asked me to do a drive from Witham to WHF, i wouldn't know who Jeremy Bamber was if someone had asked me, and TBH, i think most people are the same.The revolution is not coming.


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Jackie, maybe the general public saw what I saw - a lovely, ill, confused young woman who didn't have the wherwithall to murder an entire family (including a fit, 6ft 4ins healthy farmer) and a silly, smug, greedy cuckoo who wore a "poor me" expression at the funeral, gripping the arm of his dodgy girlfriend, who went on to enjoy himself, make some very inappropriate remarks and holiday. Then blatantly sell anything sellable from the farm and his ("beloved sis's) flat. And, oh yes, sell images of her that she would never have wanted to be released.

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There is no way in the world that Ralph and June would have gone to bed, leaving loaded guns all around the house, if Sheila was showing signs of her illness and the boys were staying over.

Jackiepreece

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What an unbelievable post Shona I will reply to that tomorrow cuckoo you say right I know where you are coming from

And Paul
Jeremy is about as insignificant as the Guildford four and Birmingham six

Remind me Paul why were they in prison how many  appeals did they have


Shona I wonder why so many people support jeremy why is that Shona I think we look at the world through different eyes

Night

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What an unbelievable post Shona I will reply to that tomorrow cuckoo you say right I know where you are coming from

And Paul
Jeremy is about as insignificant as the Guildford four and Birmingham six

Remind me Paul why were they in prison how many  appeals did they have


Shona I wonder why so many people support jeremy why is that Shona I think we look at the world through different eyes

Night

Aaah, political prisoners v murderer, different gravy.

And in comparrison, he's very insignificant.

The public will not rise up, it will not march on Downing street in support of JB, but a few fanatics might. The legal system is not shaking in fear, but if it can proved a cover up has taken place, it will release JB just like the B6 and G4.

chochokeira

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So when the police go in to whf and then come out and tell JB all the family are dead the first words he says  are the police must have killed them

If this was a plan why come out with something stupid like that you would have said something like I knew she would do something like that

If JB was innocent he was probably thinking this was one of her rages she has had before he was probably tired and pissed of being woken at that time and bear in mind this was the first time she had gone in a rage with a gun and then he saw the supposed shadow light he thought was someone so I can totally understand why he thought everyone was alive and thought the police had killed the family.

Shona regarding your comment why I think jeremy was innocent there is nothing that I have seen or read or any motive that makes me believe Jeremy could carry out these murders and I believe it was either Sheila or the relatives and I still believe there is something being witheld that would solve this case.
Unless everything is released Jeremy will be out of prison very soon because the general public won't put up with this witholding of evidence anymore.  The ccrc have had it on that one the public will turn against them.
This isn't just about Jeremy it's about the whole system and the police

Why Jackie do you think something is being withheld? Jeremys pretty insignificant to most people.

I remember the murders and the case, but before my brother asked me to do a drive from Witham to WHF, i wouldn't know who Jeremy Bamber was if someone had asked me, and TBH, i think most people are the same.The revolution is not coming.

"Debate in Parliament"
9 Feb 2005 : 4 pm
Mr. Andrew Hunter MP (Basingstoke

"With the Bamber case, the key issue has been, and remains, the non-disclosure of evidence to the defence..."

"...Bamber's defence team has repeatedly asked for access to the following: first, the notebooks and other papers of Inspector Jones, who headed the initial investigation and firmly believed in Bamber's innocence; secondly, the findings of the coroner who inquired into Inspector Jones's sudden death, which have never been made public; thirdly, the audio recordings of all telephone and radio messages from White House farm; fourthly, the audio recordings describing the scene of the crime; fifthly, the video recordings of the scene of the crime; and sixthly, the original radio and telephone messages log and incident report. All are still being withheld from the defence. On every occasion on which the defence team has asked for them, Essex constabulary has refused to provide them. I put it directly to the Minister—and ask her to respond—that that is surely an intolerable state of affairs.

In December I tabled a written question asking the Home Secretary to instruct Essex constabulary to give Mr. Bamber's solicitors all audio tapes relating to events at White House farm. The Minister for Crime Reduction, Policing and Community Safety replied:

"The disclosure of information held by Essex Constabulary is a matter for the Chief Officer of the force".

Unfortunately, the chief constable has made his position clear: he will not co-operate. One wonders why not.

...Subsequent developments, particularly during the past 12 months, have given rise to grave concern that Bamber's conviction may be another of the great miscarriages of justice, to be bracketed with the Bridgewater Three, the Birmingham Six, the Guildford Four and others."

That's why, paul

John

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 You have to have spent time in prison to understand how it fucks up your mind.



No, John, we do not need personal experience of imprisonment when we have your example before us. We have all the proof we need of what prison can do to a person's mind right here.

What we don't have is hard proof to substantiate the wild claims you make. Nor will that proof be forthcoming, because you are simply playing your same old boring and disruptive games.

Many people do manage to lead happy lives after being in prison, by the way. Some former prisoners have established happy marriages and good careers for themselves. Off the top of my head I recall one former prisoner who became a psychologist and another who became an author. So it's entirely wrong to generalise.

As you have never been there Keira I don't think you have much to say about it.  Keep watching the soaps because that is the closest you will probably ever get....if you're lucky!!

John

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Abs I am getting excited now waiting for verification I might open a bottle of wine I might agree Jeremys guilty after I see this

Yeah - and now John is trying to wipe it all off on me! HE is making those wild assumptions, not me.
John, I am not here to impress you - not at all!!  :P Good grief! Hahaha

You did say that it wasn't true abs. What exactly isn't true?

That Jeremy was going to buy a Porche. You don´t know that - you are making it up.
OK, I am done with your games for now.

No it is true, the kit car thing was only his pipe dream before the murders.

Why settle for bronze when you can have platinum?

Between:

   Regina
   Respondent
   - and -
   JEREMY NEVILL BAMBER
   Appellant

Ground 11 – the proposed purchase of a Porsche by the appellant
This ground was abandoned before the hearing and nothing further need be said about it.

http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCA/Crim/2002/2912.html





From same report:


"140.  He admitted enjoying the good things in life – restaurants, wine bars, travelling, fast cars etc. In respect of the conversation with PC Myall about the Porsche car, the appellant said he was in fact referring to a kit model car made by a company called Covan Turbo who produced vehicles looking very similar to Porsche vehicles but at a cost of between £1-2,000."

That's not what he told the copper though...easy to change the story after the event.   ;)

John

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Doesn't this tell you something?? His entire family is inside that farmhouse, Christ only knows what is happening in there, and JB is sitting in a police car discussing silly nonsense like that? Why isn't he begging for someone to go in there and save his parents and the poor boys? Why isn't he running up to the door and trying to help? Apparently, his dad has begged him for help. And he sits outside making inane conversation?

Exactly Shona, truth be known he couldn't care less.

John

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So when the police go in to whf and then come out and tell JB all the family are dead the first words he says  are the police must have killed them

If this was a plan why come out with something stupid like that you would have said something like I knew she would do something like that

If JB was innocent he was probably thinking this was one of her rages she has had before he was probably tired and pissed of being woken at that time and bear in mind this was the first time she had gone in a rage with a gun and then he saw the supposed shadow light he thought was someone so I can totally understand why he thought everyone was alive and thought the police had killed the family.

Shona regarding your comment why I think jeremy was innocent there is nothing that I have seen or read or any motive that makes me believe Jeremy could carry out these murders and I believe it was either Sheila or the relatives and I still believe there is something being witheld that would solve this case.
Unless everything is released Jeremy will be out of prison very soon because the general public won't put up with this witholding of evidence anymore.  The ccrc have had it on that one the public will turn against them.
This isn't just about Jeremy it's about the whole system and the police

You really make me laugh Jackie, you haven't a bloody clue what passes for real life and justice lovey.
 
On the basis of your reasoning, Jeremy has as much chance of being freed as a worm has of being made President of the United States of America...sorry Obama! ;D ;D

John

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Jackie, maybe the general public saw what I saw - a lovely, ill, confused young woman who didn't have the wherwithall to murder an entire family (including a fit, 6ft 4ins healthy farmer) and a silly, smug, greedy cuckoo who wore a "poor me" expression at the funeral, gripping the arm of his dodgy girlfriend, who went on to enjoy himself, make some very inappropriate remarks and holiday. Then blatantly sell anything sellable from the farm and his ("beloved sis's) flat. And, oh yes, sell images of her that she would never have wanted to be released.

That's certainly the image I have for him and the rest.....

John

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What an unbelievable post Shona I will reply to that tomorrow cuckoo you say right I know where you are coming from

And Paul
Jeremy is about as insignificant as the Guildford four and Birmingham six

Remind me Paul why were they in prison how many  appeals did they have


Shona I wonder why so many people support jeremy why is that Shona I think we look at the world through different eyes

Night

There she goes with the name calling again....quite a list now Jackie.

Thick...liar...stupid...cuckoo...


John

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"Debate in Parliament"
9 Feb 2005 : 4 pm
Mr. Andrew Hunter MP (Basingstoke

"With the Bamber case, the key issue has been, and remains, the non-disclosure of evidence to the defence..."

"...Bamber's defence team has repeatedly asked for access to the following: first, the notebooks and other papers of Inspector Jones, who headed the initial investigation and firmly believed in Bamber's innocence; secondly, the findings of the coroner who inquired into Inspector Jones's sudden death, which have never been made public; thirdly, the audio recordings of all telephone and radio messages from White House farm; fourthly, the audio recordings describing the scene of the crime; fifthly, the video recordings of the scene of the crime; and sixthly, the original radio and telephone messages log and incident report. All are still being withheld from the defence. On every occasion on which the defence team has asked for them, Essex constabulary has refused to provide them. I put it directly to the Minister—and ask her to respond—that that is surely an intolerable state of affairs.

In December I tabled a written question asking the Home Secretary to instruct Essex constabulary to give Mr. Bamber's solicitors all audio tapes relating to events at White House farm. The Minister for Crime Reduction, Policing and Community Safety replied:

"The disclosure of information held by Essex Constabulary is a matter for the Chief Officer of the force".



Seems you have your answer then Keira.

chochokeira

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"Debate in Parliament"
9 Feb 2005 : 4 pm
Mr. Andrew Hunter MP (Basingstoke

"With the Bamber case, the key issue has been, and remains, the non-disclosure of evidence to the defence..."

"...Bamber's defence team has repeatedly asked for access to the following: first, the notebooks and other papers of Inspector Jones, who headed the initial investigation and firmly believed in Bamber's innocence; secondly, the findings of the coroner who inquired into Inspector Jones's sudden death, which have never been made public; thirdly, the audio recordings of all telephone and radio messages from White House farm; fourthly, the audio recordings describing the scene of the crime; fifthly, the video recordings of the scene of the crime; and sixthly, the original radio and telephone messages log and incident report. All are still being withheld from the defence. On every occasion on which the defence team has asked for them, Essex constabulary has refused to provide them. I put it directly to the Minister—and ask her to respond—that that is surely an intolerable state of affairs.

In December I tabled a written question asking the Home Secretary to instruct Essex constabulary to give Mr. Bamber's solicitors all audio tapes relating to events at White House farm. The Minister for Crime Reduction, Policing and Community Safety replied:

"The disclosure of information held by Essex Constabulary is a matter for the Chief Officer of the force".



Seems you have your answer then Keira.


John, Your claimed agenda is to reveal the truth. Yet it's all too apparent that your real agenda is to distort the truth by whatever means. Here's a prime example of this. You have totally distorted the Hansard record of a section of a parliamentary debate by taking a distorted, selective quotation from this without even indicating that you have cut this section short. Your quotation states:

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"In December I tabled a written question asking the Home Secretary to instruct Essex constabulary to give Mr. Bamber's solicitors all audio tapes relating to events at White House farm. The Minister for Crime Reduction, Policing and Community Safety replied:

"The disclosure of information held by Essex Constabulary is a matter for the Chief Officer of the force".

Yet the Hansard record for this section of the debate actually states:

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In December I tabled a written question asking the Home Secretary to instruct Essex constabulary to give Mr. Bamber's solicitors all audio tapes relating to events at White House farm. The Minister for Crime Reduction, Policing and Community Safety replied:In December I tabled a written question asking the Home Secretary to instruct Essex constabulary to give Mr. Bamber's solicitors all audio tapes relating to events at White House farm. The Minister for Crime Reduction, Policing and Community Safety replied:

"The disclosure of information held by Essex Constabulary is a matter for the Chief Officer of the force".

Unfortunately, the chief constable has made his position clear: he will not co-operate. One wonders why not.
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