The Secret Land deal - relatives did not want anyone to find out about?

[Tyler]

Well said Jackie  +1   

[vidvic]

Jackie, even with your rose tinted specs on, surely you could understand the reluctance of the family to formally identify the bodies. Maybe you need to re read the list of injuries to them all and try and imagine what it would be like to see loved ones in that condition. Isn't it only natural that you would want to remember them alive and well? If this is your marker for greed then does it not equally apply to JB.?
Anyway, factually, you are incorrect. At least one family member offered to go.

[grahameb]

Jackie, even with your rose tinted specs on, surely you could understand the reluctance of the family to formally identify the bodies. Maybe you need to re read the list of injuries to them all and try and imagine what it would be like to see loved ones in that condition. Isn't it only natural that you would want to remember them alive and well? If this is your marker for greed then does it not equally apply to JB.?
Anyway, factually, you are incorrect. At least one family member offered to go.

Why didn't they go? After all JM wasn't family. Victims of murder or accident are usually ideally identified by relatives if at all possible. Was Julie Mugford immune to trauma?

[Jackiepreece]

Exactly Grahame

Vidvic I am not looking through Rose tinted spectacles at all most of the people that go on this forum are trying to separate fact from fiction

You are obviously close to the family are you prepared to say who you are to add weight to your argument

Recently you mentioned the family supported JB until a conversation was overheard

You are obviously referring to the alleged comment by JB to jm.  I should have been an actor

That alledged (I don't believe it happened) comment was said the day of the murders I believe so how many hours did the relatives actually support JB and why didn't the policeman who it is alleged heard this stop evidence being removed from the farm

If you are a relative would you be prepared to be interviewed I could arrange that in no time it would be a chance to challenge different points and be challenged

Tell me vidvic what do you think of the housekeepers testimony about JB and the landlord of the chequers and freddies testimonies hardly evil beyond belief is it vidvic

[chochokeira]

Exactly Grahame

Vidvic I am not looking through Rose tinted spectacles at all most of the people that go on this forum are trying to separate fact from fiction

You are obviously close to the family are you prepared to say who you are to add weight to your argument

Recently you mentioned the family supported JB until a conversation was overheard

You are obviously referring to the alleged comment by JB to jm.  I should have been an actor

That alledged (I don't believe it happened) comment was said the day of the murders I believe so how many hours did the relatives actually support JB and why didn't the policeman who it is alleged heard this stop evidence being removed from the farm

If you are a relative would you be prepared to be interviewed I could arrange that in no time it would be a chance to challenge different points and be challenged

Tell me vidvic what do you think of the housekeepers testimony about JB and the landlord of the chequers and freddies testimonies hardly evil beyond belief is it vidvic

I believe the disputed allegation that JB told JM, "I should have been an actor", was yet another of JM's unsupported claims.

[Jackiepreece]

Vidvic

Has left the building

4.38am what's worrying you vidvic
A problem shared and all that

Choco + 1

[ngb1066]

Exactly Grahame

Vidvic I am not looking through Rose tinted spectacles at all most of the people that go on this forum are trying to separate fact from fiction

You are obviously close to the family are you prepared to say who you are to add weight to your argument

Recently you mentioned the family supported JB until a conversation was overheard

You are obviously referring to the alleged comment by JB to jm.  I should have been an actor

That alledged (I don't believe it happened) comment was said the day of the murders I believe so how many hours did the relatives actually support JB and why didn't the policeman who it is alleged heard this stop evidence being removed from the farm

If you are a relative would you be prepared to be interviewed I could arrange that in no time it would be a chance to challenge different points and be challenged

Tell me vidvic what do you think of the housekeepers testimony about JB and the landlord of the chequers and freddies testimonies hardly evil beyond belief is it vidvic

I believe the disputed allegation that JB told JM, "I should have been an actor", was yet another of JM's unsupported claims.

Chochokeira - you are correct.  The only evidence that Jeremy Bamber said "I should have been an actor" was the evidence given by Julie Mugford.  There was no corroboration of this from any other witness.

 

[Tyler]

Jackie,I think the conversation that Vidvic is refering to was when Jeremy was giving his statement at his cottage on the morning of the murders.Whatever Jeremy told the police is allegedly what caused AE to become suspicious.So they "rallied round" supporting JB for all of about,hmmm lets see - half hour or so?It probably then dawned on her that JB was now the main shareholder in the caravan park and also very possibly owned the Eatons home?

[vidvic]

"It probably then dawned on her that JB was now the main shareholder in the caravan park and also very possibly owned the Eatons home?"

Neither of these two statements is true.

Why are you so bothered by the time of my posts Jackie? I don't understand. You say you are interested in the truth, yet you have consistantly made false statements and theories. Why? If you make statements which I know to be false then I will defend.

[grahameb]

"It probably then dawned on her that JB was now the main shareholder in the caravan park and also very possibly owned the Eatons home?"

Neither of these two statements is true.

Why are you so bothered by the time of my posts Jackie? I don't understand. You say you are interested in the truth, yet you have consistantly made false statements and theories. Why? If you make statements which I know to be false then I will defend.

You could easily defend by giving her proof that what she says is wrong. You could also give weight to your arguments by giving her your name?

[chochokeira]

Vidvic

Has left the building

4.38am what's worrying you vidvic
A problem shared and all that

Choco + 1

Thank you, Jackie and ngb1066.

[Alias]

vidvic, hi.
You seem to know the case well and know the relatives of the Bambers. On that background I would like to hear your thoughts about the silencer(s). How it/they were found, how it/they were handled prior to being handed over to the EP.
Do you think the silencer should have been allowed as evidence against Jeremy Bamber after the handling of it?

[chochokeira]

Jackie,I think the conversation that Vidvic is refering to was when Jeremy was giving his statement at his cottage on the morning of the murders.Whatever Jeremy told the police is allegedly what caused AE to become suspicious.So they "rallied round" supporting JB for all of about,hmmm lets see - half hour or so?It probably then dawned on her that JB was now the main shareholder in the caravan park and also very possibly owned the Eatons home?

AE, in her 72 page statement (copied to this website), the second statement she made to the police, states that she went to Jeremy's cottage following the murders to "do my duty" in respect of her cousin. Odd words to choose in respect of a cousin who has just lost his entire immediate family. As far as I recall, there is no mention of AE feeling sympathetic towards JB. Was there no love lost there then, even before AE went to see JB on the morning of the murders?

In another section of that statement, I believe I recall AE stating something along the lines of, two girls whom gran Speakman had raised (after they were orphaned?) were not due much inheritance because they were 'not proper family'. I wonder if AE had the same attitude towards Jeremy, viewed him as an outsider because he was adopted?

Scapegoating an individual as an outsider can be a prelude to other forms of scapegoating.

[Alias]

Jackie,I think the conversation that Vidvic is refering to was when Jeremy was giving his statement at his cottage on the morning of the murders.Whatever Jeremy told the police is allegedly what caused AE to become suspicious.So they "rallied round" supporting JB for all of about,hmmm lets see - half hour or so?It probably then dawned on her that JB was now the main shareholder in the caravan park and also very possibly owned the Eatons home?

AE, in her 72 page statement (copied to this website), the second statement she made to the police, states that she went to Jeremy's cottage following the murders to "do my duty" in respect of her cousin. Odd words to choose in respect of a cousin who has just lost his entire immediate family. As far as I recall, there is no mention of AE feeling sympathetic towards JB. Was there no love lost there then, even before AE went to see JB on the morning of the murders?

In another section of that statement, I believe I recall AE stating something along the lines of, two girls whom gran Speakman had raised (after they were orphaned?) were not due much inheritance because they were 'not proper family'. I wonder if AE had the same attitude towards Jeremy, viewed him as an outsider because he was adopted?

Scapegoating an individual as an outsider can be a prelude to other forms of scapegoating.

So well said! +1

[Jackiepreece]

I am back vicvid and I see you are line could you answer the questions I put to you please would you be happy to do and interview to put the relatives of friends side forward

Set the record straight so to speak