The Secret Land deal - relatives did not want anyone to find out about?

[vidvic]

Been a bit busy so taken a while to respond.

Yes, I am a TV Producer and yes, I have known the family for many many years. I originally worked for Anglia TV and Sky News (right from it's very beginning) though in 2004 concentrated on sport.

I am proud to say I know this family. They are good people. I probably get more annoyed than I should when I read about them as 'greedy', 'liars' and the like, because it is unrecognisable to the people that I know.

Please don't accuse me of not listening to the JB version of events either. I read and view everything I can lay my hands on and I respect Mike Tesko for his tenacity, though obviously I believe misguided.

Yes, it does not take a rocket scientist to see that the Police made many errors, but JB is in prison despite these errors, not because of them.

I know many journalists that have spent thousands of hours doing exactly what some of you do, asking questions, reading statements, testing theories. The vast majority that I have met agree with me and the appeal court judges, in that the more you know about this case, the more convinced you become of JB's guilt.

[nugnug]

but when the main prosecution witness in a case gets all the money and property that the defendant would have had you have to admit it looks a tiny bit dodgy.

[vidvic]

It doesnt really matter to me who owned what.Its just that Id always believed that they were the facts.Vidvic says it is not true,so maybe he could explain what the facts actually are?

Dear Tyler, in 1985 JB was an 8% shareholder in the caravan park. Keira; I believe you can find this info in the court papers with reference to JB's court action against the family, which failed, when he attempted to sue for loss of earnings and the like. When costs were awarded against him he tried to lie to the court and claimed he had no assets, which was untrue, as he owned an 8% share in the park.

[vidvic]

I should add that the shares were taken from him to go towards the legal costs of the family in that case.

Everytime JB instigates any legal action (which costs him nothing) it costs the family thousands in legal fees to defend.

JB is therfore no longer a shareholder in the park.

[chochokeira]

Vidvic,you posted earlier that PE was devastated by the death of Neville Bamber.That may be so,but it didnt stop him from pilfering from the Bamber company in the wake of those tragic deaths did it?
You may think that it is unfair for JBs relatives to be villified (as you put it).Well I happen to think that it is unfair that Jeremys family turned on him within hours of his whole family being wiped out.I think that it is unfair that the relatives meddled into a police investigation that according to EP was concluded.But more unfair than anything is the fact that Jeremy did not even receive a fair court trial.If he had of Vidvic and was still found guilty,then I would be one of the first to sympathize with you.But as it stands,an innocent man may be sitting in prison and that,to me,is unfair!

Very well said, Tyler +1!!!

[chochokeira]

Been a bit busy so taken a while to respond.

Yes, I am a TV Producer and yes, I have known the family for many many years. I originally worked for Anglia TV and Sky News (right from it's very beginning) though in 2004 concentrated on sport.

I am proud to say I know this family. They are good people. I probably get more annoyed than I should when I read about them as 'greedy', 'liars' and the like, because it is unrecognisable to the people that I know.

Please don't accuse me of not listening to the JB version of events either. I read and view everything I can lay my hands on and I respect Mike Tesko for his tenacity, though obviously I believe misguided.

Yes, it does not take a rocket scientist to see that the Police made many errors, but JB is in prison despite these errors, not because of them.

I know many journalists that have spent thousands of hours doing exactly what some of you do, asking questions, reading statements, testing theories. The vast majority that I have met agree with me and the appeal court judges, in that the more you know about this case, the more convinced you become of JB's guilt.

Excellent! How's that for sleuthing!

Thank you for your honesty, though of course I knew that you produced films from virtually your first
post - I'm a head hunter, Vic.

I'm glad that you've read the version of events here, though you've not been a member here for very long, have you? Have you just begun reading the posts here or have you been a silent lurker for years?

Can I ask you:

1. Have you ever met Jeremy Bamber?

2. What grounds do you have for believing he's guilty?

[grahameb]

Strange how people's perceptions of things change according to their own prejudices? If you know the family personally of course you are going to defend them. Because you only hear things from their side of the story. And whatever evidence you may have will always be looked at in that light.

[chochokeira]

Vic, apologies, I forgot, can I also ask you:

3.  Does your 'JB did it' theory view JB as the murderer or does it favour the idea of a hitman?

[vidvic]

Strange how people's perceptions of things change according to their own prejudices? If you know the family personally of course you are going to defend them. Because you only hear things from their side of the story. And whatever evidence you may have will always be looked at in that light.

Dear Grahame, unfortunately you dont know me personally, but I can tell you that If i'd ever believed JB to be innocent then I would not be on here defending the family. That would be against everything I believe in.

[vidvic]

Vic, apologies, I forgot, can I also ask you:

3.  Does your 'JB did it' theory view JB as the murderer or does it favour the idea of a hitman?

Dear Keira,

Goodness! Where to begin......

The phone call. 'Terrified' father calls....doesn't call 999, gets phone book, calls witham, back to phone book, calls chelmsford, gets agitated, calls Julie, leaves house, gets overtaken by Police car. (Team JB now creeping time of call and introducing another call to get round some of the problems with this.)

Jeremy adamant father said "Sheila" has got THE gun, so completely rules out anyone else being involved. (Team JB have in the past said he may have misheard this, to introduce someone else)

Read the actual descriptions of what was done to the victims.....Arc of bullets into one of the twins heads, Nevill's injuries to his face, all done by Sheila? A woman whom Jeremy himself admitted to having never seen fire a gun as an adult. How many times did she load the magazine? You try doing it! It's bloody hard going! And by Sheila? Yeah right!

Jeremy leaves gun in kitchen having shot rabbits without the sights on. For a start, especially with the twins in the house, Nevill would never have left it there. Secondly, what would JB have been doing shooting rabbits without the sight? (Bit convenient this rifle just lying around)

If JB is innocent and the family framed him, then the silencer wasn't used. How can you shoot all those different people without anyone making an escape without the silencer?

Sheila didn't have anywhere near enough blood on her top to suggest she could possibly have shot herself once, moved, then had another go. Oh, and without hardly a trace of anything on her hands to suggest she'd fired the rifle anyhow....

Julie told police that a hitman was to blame. Why? If she was lying then why not simply blame JB. Bit of a strange move to blame someone else instead.

Also WHY? Why would the police believe the evil relatives instead of taking the easier option and just blaming Sheila. Is it not possible that they were telling the truth when members of the police weren't convinced with the initial decision? If you, as a relative found the explanation so completely ridiculous would you not investigate it? Would you welcome JB back into the fold if you believed he may have wiped out half your family?

Have you ever considered how many people would have had to have lied all these years?? Hundreds...Relatives, Police, reinvestigation police, friends, ballistic experts, the list is endless.......and not ONE has ever come forward, even when JB offered ONE MILLION pounds to break cover.....

Just a brief selection of reasons......

[Jackiepreece]

Vidvic I know many people in the entertainment/film industry as well what kind of films do you produce and why would you put something of such a bad quality on you tube (if that is your work)
I notice that you only joined Twitter in February and have just a few followers I thought in your business you would be more active.

Do you agree Jeremy was convicted on circumstantial evidence

[vidvic]

Jackie, just because I do not agree with your view, does not give you the right to suggest that my career is in some way flawed. Your post comes across as quite 'bitchy' but I'm sure it's just the way it reads.....

[vidvic]

I have never posted a video to youtube......

[Alias]

Jackie, just because I do not agree with your view, does not give you the right to suggest that my career is in some way flawed. Your post comes across as quite 'bitchy' but I'm sure it's just the way it reads.....

I hope so! 
Thanks for your account of why you think JB is guilty.

[Jackiepreece]

Vidvic
As you speak openly about knowing the relatives do they support the release of all evidence held under PII so this case can finally be concluded.

You didnt answer my question about do you agree Jeremy was convicted on circumstantial evidence?

I think their is someone on you tube using your name or similar to post rubbish I thought I would make you aware

What sort of films have you produced in the past as I know you producers like to brag about your work

My friend Mark McQueen has a fantastic showreel and Dominic Minghella

I am sorry if I came across as being bitchy I normally try to be polite and usually people speak about me in glowing terms