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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #270 on: September 09, 2016, 08:45:PM »
That's not how a young woman's mind works who likes to paint her nails and be told she looks pretty.




That was part of her trouble,staying like that after the twins were born,then looking after them as well as providing for them. There aren't many mums around who have boisterous twin boys and look like a model 24/7. I think that got Sheila down as well as everything else,as she'd put it " losing her figure ".

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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #271 on: September 09, 2016, 08:48:PM »
Sheila wrote this in the past tense, and prior to her own death:-

My mother was brought up by the law. She has loved all of us all her life. Help her. She needs so much comfort and I cannot give her this when in the other world. I am going to finish now as my mother's strength is slipping. Help her please. Bambs. 01989 4197...

I wonder who's telephone number she recorded at the end of the note?
« Last Edit: September 09, 2016, 09:03:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #272 on: September 09, 2016, 08:50:PM »



That was part of her trouble,staying like that after the twins were born,then looking after them as well as providing for them. There aren't many mums around who have boisterous twin boys and look like a model 24/7. I think that got Sheila down as well as everything else,as she'd put it " losing her figure ".
it very likely did get her down,but she never killed anyone not even herself :)

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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #273 on: September 09, 2016, 09:17:PM »
it very likely did get her down,but she never killed anyone not even herself :)




Neither did Jeremy  :)

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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #274 on: September 09, 2016, 09:25:PM »



Neither did Jeremy  :)
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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #275 on: September 10, 2016, 04:36:AM »
I wonder who's telephone number she recorded at the end of the note?

01989 is area code for Ross on Wye! 

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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #276 on: September 10, 2016, 08:46:AM »
Well, police originally believed that Sheila 'had' killed four others, and then herself - until the game changer was introduced by the relatives, after Julie Mugford came forward with a different account that was subsequently abandoned. We now know that the Boutflour children, David and Ann, introduced the key silencer evidence from 11th September onwards, and that Mugford had been coaxed forward four days earlier. Let us not forget, that Mugford first witness statement was recorded in a third person presentation, and that soon after the Boutflour children sought to introduce 'dodgy silencer' evidence between 11th and 14th September 1985, that Jeremy was bailed by the Magistrates. In hindsight, this silencer evidence and a significantly different interpretation of Mugford original account became a game changer. I have witnessedmyself the way a person's input can be recorded in a different way when it comes to gathering evidence. It all depends upon the mindset of the police officers who are receiving or recording 'that' evidence. This is what happened in the so called Bamber case. Whilst ever the case was being investigated as 'four murders and a suicide' under 'SC/688/85' police sought to gather and present the evidence in variously different ways and formats to support such a view. Or, in other words, police had a particular mindset at this time, and when seeking to obtain witness statements police paraphrased what witnesses had to say in a manner befitting that overall approach. However, once the nature of the investigation altered in a 'five murder' case, under 'SC/786/85' police gathered the evidence and presented it differently. It all depends on the perception of a situation as to how evidence will be gathered and presented, by the police and the prosecuting authorities. In most cases, there is usually only one perception adopted, but in the so called Bamber case, there are two contradicting ones...
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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #277 on: September 10, 2016, 10:13:AM »
Are the hand written notes posted in this thread part of Sheila's suicide notes?

Yes, they are - they were recovered from inside the pages of the blue Bible positioned next to her body as shown in several crime scene photographs. The other coded note ('DRH/42) was found on her bedside cabinet. In the original investigation when it was being conducted as 'four murders and a suicide' both sets of notes were treated as Sheila's suicide note, but when the case changed and became 'SC/786/85', these latter hand written notes became detached because it's content contradicted the suggestion that she had been killed by Jeremy...
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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #278 on: September 10, 2016, 11:54:AM »
Are the hand written notes posted in this thread part of Sheila's suicide notes?

Yes, they are - they were recovered from inside the pages of the blue Bible positioned next to her body as shown in several crime scene photographs. The other coded note ('DRH/42) was found on her bedside cabinet. In the original investigation when it was being conducted as 'four murders and a suicide' both sets of notes were treated as Sheila's suicide note, but when the case changed and became 'SC/786/85', these latter hand written notes became detached because it's content contradicted the suggestion that she had been killed by Jeremy...


So Mike you are definitely saying these notes were inside the bible ? So where were they "found " eventually? And when? The campaign team are not clear about this . If they were found in the boxes of evidence why have they no police evidence number references? I just want to clarify who found the notes , where were they found and when did Jeremy know about them?

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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #279 on: September 10, 2016, 12:25:PM »
Jan,I think both you and I knew of these notes/letters nigh on three years ago as did Jeremy but because he'd dismissed them as not being his sister's writing,the subject fizzled out. I'd had reservations about them simply because they'd been written by someone who was " ill ",including June.
It's possible that with Poppy's experience of being involved with mental health,that she had explained to JB that because Sheila hadn't been in her right mind,that her writing as well as the content would reflect this.
It's obvious that JB hadn't known just how unwell Sheila had been that had made such a turnaround in her life,even down to her writing/wording. I'd imagine it came as a shock to him considering the earlier lifestyle that she'd led.
Any man of 24 doesn't always have a clue about what goes on within the home because those who are/were in JB's financial position are out and about enjoying themselves.Show me a 24 year old who isn't.
I don't understand the delay in producing these letters now ?

I can remember someone off the forum ringing that phone number of Ross-on-Wye and getting a non-obtainable sound. Could have been that " actor " who rang WHF that night,or Sheila had rang him,not sure which.

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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #280 on: September 10, 2016, 12:27:PM »
Jan,I think both you and I knew of these notes/letters nigh on three years ago as did Jeremy but because he'd dismissed them as not being his sister's writing,the subject fizzled out. I'd had reservations about them simply because they'd been written by someone who was " ill ",including June.
It's possible that with Poppy's experience of being involved with mental health,that she had explained to JB that because Sheila hadn't been in her right mind,that her writing as well as the content would reflect this.
It's obvious that JB hadn't known just how unwell Sheila had been that had made such a turnaround in her life,even down to her writing/wording. I'd imagine it came as a shock to him considering the earlier lifestyle that she'd led.
Any man of 24 doesn't always have a clue about what goes on within the home because those who are/were in JB's financial position are out and about enjoying themselves.Show me a 24 year old who isn't.
I don't understand the delay in producing these letters now ?

I can remember someone off the forum ringing that phone number of Ross-on-Wye and getting a non-obtainable sound. Could have been that " actor " who rang WHF that night,or Sheila had rang him,not sure which.

What actor?

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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #281 on: September 10, 2016, 12:31:PM »
What actor?




He was mentioned in one of the books,and I've forgotten his damn name.He had a small part in Coronation street some years ago,possibly a cameo part.
I'll see if I can find his name.

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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #282 on: September 10, 2016, 12:39:PM »
Jan,I think both you and I knew of these notes/letters nigh on three years ago as did Jeremy but because he'd dismissed them as not being his sister's writing,the subject fizzled out. I'd had reservations about them simply because they'd been written by someone who was " ill ",including June.
It's possible that with Poppy's experience of being involved with mental health,that she had explained to JB that because Sheila hadn't been in her right mind,that her writing as well as the content would reflect this.
It's obvious that JB hadn't known just how unwell Sheila had been that had made such a turnaround in her life,even down to her writing/wording. I'd imagine it came as a shock to him considering the earlier lifestyle that she'd led.
Any man of 24 doesn't always have a clue about what goes on within the home because those who are/were in JB's financial position are out and about enjoying themselves.Show me a 24 year old who isn't.
I don't understand the delay in producing these letters now ?

I can remember someone off the forum ringing that phone number of Ross-on-Wye and getting a non-obtainable sound. Could have been that " actor " who rang WHF that night,or Sheila had rang him,not sure which.


For whatever reason I don't think Jeremy thought the notes had been found in the house either. So the "source" is vital. Notice that everything in the press refers to his supporters not him. Someone must know where and when they were discovered.

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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #283 on: September 10, 2016, 12:45:PM »

For whatever reason I don't think Jeremy thought the notes had been found in the house either. So the "source" is vital. Notice that everything in the press refers to his supporters not him. Someone must know where and when they were discovered.



Yes,the " supporters " which I read over and over again and personally came to the conclusion that " someone " had come forward with what THEY knew.

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Re: Found---handwritten suicide notes. Sheila's ?
« Reply #284 on: September 10, 2016, 12:59:PM »



He was mentioned in one of the books,and I've forgotten his damn name.He had a small part in Coronation street some years ago,possibly a cameo part.
I'll see if I can find his name.




On looking for this guy's name,I came across a post of 2011 telling of " two calls to unknown number/s had made by Sheila at WHF before she killed herself ( of course ) while the line was still open and being monitered.
There is reference to this,as follows :
" At 05.40am,just 5 minutes after the report that the TFU were engaged in conversation with someone inside the farmhouse,the BT operator was asked by Essex Police to once again check the line inside the farmhouse ( which had been previously confirmed as being off the hook ) and at that time the operator reported that the telephone was now engaged-----05.40 am.