Aftermath, Where is the forensic evidence that Jeremy Bamber killed his family?

[Adam]

I found a passage about this in Colin's book.

What Bambs’s psychiatrist, Dr Ferguson, did not explain to me at either of our meetings were the usual side effects of these major tranquillisers, also known as neuroleptics, and a neuroleptic-induced brain disease called Tardive Dyskinesia.  Which would develop as a result of prolonged use of them.
Bamb’s had been on various combinations, in often high does, for the best part of two years.

It's so sad that Sheila's family didn't know about, and understand, this was what was happening to Sheila and why she appeared as she did to many people...poor girl!

Obviously CC's book is a primary source.

There is no possibilty Sheila could have committed the massacre. Even in the 0.1% chance she did wake up in the middle of the night and decide she wanted to.

She was a recovering anorexic and 7 stone. The pictures show she was almost child like.

She had no experience of weapons and would not know how to chamber, load and put the silencer on or take it off.

She had co ordination problems and sufferred from Tardrive Dyskenisia. She couldn't put sugar in coffee and found it difficult getting up off chairs. The medication would just make her drowsy.

[zoe]

Well done David

[zoe]

Obviously CC's book is a primary source.

There is no possibilty Sheila could have committed the massacre. Even in the 0.1% chance she did wake up in the middle of the night and decide she wanted to.

She was a recovering anorexic and 7 stone. The pictures show she was almost child like.

Obviously CC's book is a primary source.

There is no possibilty Sheila could have committed the massacre. Even in the 0.1% chance she did wake up in the middle of the night and decide she wanted to.

She was a recovering anorexic and 7 stone. The pictures show she was almost child like.

She had no experience of weapons and would not know how to chamber, load and put the silencer on or take it off.




She never went to bed
she never woke up
just because she was light doesn't stop her from being very strong in a rage
lots of experience with weapons being farmers daughter
her medication had been altered
 

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[Adam]

The evidence shows both Sheila and Neville went to bed. Both bare footed on pyjamas and nightdress.

She was 7 stone. Neville was 15.

Both CC and Bamber said she had no / limited experience with guns.

Her medication would make her drowsy and uncordinated. She sufferred  from Tardrive Dyskinsia.


There is no possibilty Sheila could have committed the massacre. And ridiculous that Neville would ever consider calling Bamber.

[zoe]

and? explained in earlier threads, going over the same old ground yet again!!

[Steve_uk]

So why is this relevant to Jeremy Bamber because his legal team at the time were convicted of shenanigans out of his control? still doesn't make the man guilty.

It's not relevant and I have conceded that there may be points to answer regarding the photos, if only they were of higher quality. The video does put Jeremy's crimes in some kind of context, however.

[zoe]

Yes, your right Adam as always, well done.

Sarcasm? look it up!!!

[Romeo]

I am well informed. And you can be also by just reading the evidence I read.

Dr Vanezis gave evidence that the nature of the blood stains to the nightdress suggested that Sheila Caffell was sitting up when she received both injuries. After the second injury she would have immediately fallen back. COA 2002

The above is another inconvenient aspect of evidence that Caroline likes to ignore because it demonstrates the obvious. Sheila shot herself   
 How do you make that out then?! Read what Judge Drake said under the side heading  (E)  Vanezis replied to the Judge's question by agreeing with the Judge when he said... "you couldn't say if it was suicide or murder" As for Sheila sitting up, I told you that last night! Actually I said SC was half sitting, but never the less sitting up. Of course she fell back when shot, but SC didn't fall back from a sitting position and end up with her legs laid out perfectly straight and then position the gun under her chin. the gun is where it is because it was placed there!!

[zoe]

Nothing zilch,  He never killed his family!!

[Adam]

There is already a thread on Sheila sitting up when shot. Everyone seems to agree this was the case.

She could not fall back as she was leaning against something.

There was a slim chance she would fall sideways if what she was leaning against was not giving her solid support. However her body position shows she didn't.

But there was no way her lower body would move forward along the ground over two feet when dead. It seems everyone agrees her legs were pulled after the second shot. Some supporters claiming it was the police.

[Adam]

Sarcasm? look it up!!!

I'm sorry but you agreed with me that because you can't explain how Sheila committed the massacre,  it means Bamber is guilty. Which is basic common sense. So I don't know why you are disputing Bamber's guilt.

Luckily it's easy to explain how Bamber committed the massacre. To match the crime scene.

[Adam]

It is a good point that Sheila's legs were so straight and together.

They would be straight and together if someone pulled them.

If she shot herself sitting up,  her legs would be wide apart and pulled up towards her body by Sheila. So most of her legs were off the ground. This is so she can balance herself and put the rifle in front of her on the floor, under her chin.

However her legs were found straight and close together.

[Adam]

It is good that post 284 has an expert at trial saying Sheila was sitting up when shot. Obviously leaning against the bedside cabinet.

There now just needs to be an expert to say how a rifle shot to the neck propels a lifeless persons lower body forward along the floor for well over two feet.

[David1819]

I'm sorry but you agreed with me that because you can't explain how Sheila committed the massacre,  it means Bamber is guilty. Which is basic common sense. So I don't know why you are disputing Bamber's guilt.

Luckily it's easy to explain how Bamber committed the massacre. To match the crime scene.

Really Adam? Can you please explain how Jeremy managed to kill Sheila, When the crime scene photos demonstrate she died around 7am. How does Jeremy manage to kill someone inside the farm when he is outside with the police?  easy to explain you say 

It is a good point that Sheila's legs were so straight and together.

They would be straight and together if someone pulled them.

If she shot herself sitting up,  her legs would be wide apart and pulled up towards her body by Sheila. So most of her legs were off the ground. This is so she can balance herself and put the rifle in front of her on the floor, under her chin.

However her legs were found straight and close together.

More nonsense from you. The two photos below

Eric Harris & Dyland Klebold - Gunshot suicides to face/neck, Legs straight and close together



Kurt Cobain  - Gunshot suicide to face/neck, also Legs straight and close together 

[Adam]

Really Adam? Can you please explain how Jeremy managed to kill Sheila, When the crime scene photos demonstrate she died around 7am. How does Jeremy manage to kill someone inside the farm when he is outside with the police?  easy to explain you say 

More nonsense from you. The two photos below

Eric Harris & Dyland Klebold - Gunshot suicides to face/neck, Legs straight and close together



Kurt Cobain  - Gunshot suicide to face/neck, also Legs straight and close together 

Oh sorry I forgot. You have made another 'forensic evidence breakthrough'. 

You're photos somehow show Sheila had been dead a short time. Don't tell us. Write to Bamber and the courts. Although they have already seen the photos.

The pictures you just posted of totally unrelated deaths just shows one person with open legs, another in  hunched position on his side and another photo just shows one leg.