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Offline maggie

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Not manic depressive mothers on the brink of a psychotic episode. June told PB Sheila was taking NO interest in the boys.
I know but I am just looking at the situation from Adam's point of viewand pointing out in that context Sheila would have woken if lifted from the bed by JB.
It depends what the argument is, Adam believes JB killed everyone therefore he does not consider Sheila to be in the state you believe her to be in.  You believe Sheila killed the boys and everyone else therefore JB would not have been lifting her out of bed.
I have an open mind but tend towards JB guilty because I am not convinced Sheila could have shot herself twice among other things and I don'y believe the police shot her.

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I have an open mind but tend towards JB guilty because I am not convinced Sheila could have shot herself twice among other things and I don'y believe the police shot her.

Its a semi automatic gun. If it was a manual rifle I would probably take the same position

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Its a semi automatic gun. If it was a manual rifle I would probably take the same position
she would still have to push the trigger twice.and as jane has said and i agree it would be hard if not impossible to move her neck to fire the kill shot

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she would still have to push the trigger twice.and as jane has said and i agree it would be hard if not impossible to move her neck to fire the kill shot
We don't really know if Sheila could have moved her neck or not after the first shot.  Much of the injury was to soft tissue, the external jugular was shaved and there was damage to the neck vertebrae but how much damage we don't really know.  She wouldn't have been paralysed by the injuries because there is no mention of the spinal chord being damaged. 
I have known a couple of people who broke their back ie. their vertebrae not the spinal chord, my close friend broke two vertebrae in her lumbar region as a student nurse and although in pain she did walk around for a few days after the injury before being admitted to hospital.  Of course she wasn't shot so it's not a good comparison except as an example to show how a person can function with shattered vertebrae.
« Last Edit: August 03, 2016, 03:37:PM by maggie »

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Not after the first shot it wouldn't.

Offline lebaleb

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We don't really know if Sheila could have moved her neck or not after the first shot.  Much of the injury was to soft tissue, the external jugular was shaved and there was damage to the neck vertebrae but how much damage we don't really know.  She wouldn't have been paralysed by the injuries because there is no mention of the spinal chord being damaged. 
I have known a couple of people who broke their back ie. their vertebrae not the spinal chord, my close friend broke two vertebrae in her lumbar region as a student nurse and although in pain she did walk around for a few days after the injury before being admitted to hospital.  Of course she wasn't shot so it's not a good comparison except as an example to show how a person can function with shattered vertebrae.

She put her hand on the wound at some point so she wasn't paralysed.

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She put her hand on the wound at some point so she wasn't paralysed.
She wouldn't have been paralysed because her spinal chord wasn't affected and of course she appeared to have put her hand up to her neck and touched her wound after the first shot. 
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She put her hand on the wound at some point so she wasn't paralysed.




Nor dead at that point either.

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was it the back of her hand that she put to the wound.most people would use their palm

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did the doctor change his mind about if sheila could move her neck or not

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was it the back of her hand that she put to the wound.most people would use their palm




Does it matter ? The fact was that she was alive before the second shot-------------which followed seconds after if you study the wounds.

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did the doctor change his mind about if sheila could move her neck or not
Originally Vanezis stated the two shots were about 30 mins apart and that Sheila could have been able to walk about after the first shot, he later changed his mind and said the two shots were seconds apart.
He also stated in his original written report that Sheila had blood on the palm of her hand, possibly from when she put her hand up to the wound on her neck but his typed report said that the palms of her hands were clean. :-\
« Last Edit: August 03, 2016, 05:37:PM by maggie »

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she would still have to push the trigger twice.and as jane has said and i agree it would be hard if not impossible to move her neck to fire the kill shot

No pathologist has made this claim

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Originally Vanezis stated the two shots were about 30 mins apart and that Sheila could have been able to walk about after the first shot, he later changed his mind and said the two shots were seconds apart.
He also stated in his original written report that Sheila had blood on the palm of her hand, possibly from when she put her hand up to the wound on her neck but his typed report said that the palms of her hands were clean. :-\

She cannot have got the blood on her hands from her wounds because the blood stains around the wounds are not smudged
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Offline Caroline

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She put her hand on the wound at some point so she wasn't paralysed.

No she didn't - there would be a mark around the wound if she has and there isn't any.
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