Questions about Neville's 'mysterious' call to Bamber:

[lookout]

OK, so now we have Sheila toting -and loading- a gun with one hand and holding a cigar in the other? Hmm!!!!

Not exactly,but if you want to add your own twist to it,be my guest.It's what EP did and it's called being dishonest.

[Jane]

Not exactly,but if you want to add your own twist to it,be my guest.It's what EP did and it's called being dishonest.

Where do you think she'd have put this cigar, then, Lookout? You throw in these little add on's, seemingly giving no thought to how they occur. I think it HIGHLY unlikely she'd have secreted cigars into WHF. If it had been one of Nevill's, and she had it in the hand that wasn't holding the gun, she must have predetermined that she was going to brand him. What you suggest doesn't make sense.

[David1819]

Well he had time to pick up a phone and dial Bamber, tell him Sheila/sister is going berserk with a gun so i would naturally think he had chance.  Even after taking four shots upstairs he managed to get downstairs again. We are talking about a former RAF pilot here David, fearless, brave and used to planning to detail?  6'4" tall, farmer and Magistrate having to deal with Sheila running about his farmhouse in her nightie and no footwear not used to shooting, not used to shooting quick, not used to reloading, yes he had chance to get to her, anxiety no matter what time of the day or night would have kicked his adrenalin in and his survival instinct, especially after making a frantic phone call to his son, or so we are lead to believe.  That's why I believe he was taken by surprise in the bedroom, with no chance or time to make a phone call and he made his way downstairs to get his shotgun, his only defence after taking four quick shots?

What is very interesting is that if Neville rang Jeremy he had to have done so before he was shot. This scenario is actually corroborated by two pieces of evidence.

1. The alleged call to Jeremy. Neville sais 'Sheila has gone crazy and got the gun' he does not mention being shot or Sheila shooting anyone. This corroborates that Neville rang before he was shot.

2. Neville was not shot in bed, because his side of the bed has no blood stains on them as opposed to June's side of the bed we know she was shot in bed for that very reason. Plus the location of the shell casings don't show Neville was shot in bed but was shot coming up the stairs towards the bedroom.

[guest7363]

What is very interesting is that if Neville rang Jeremy he had to have done so before he was shot. This scenario is actually corroborated by two pieces of evidence.

1. The alleged call to Jeremy. Neville sais 'Sheila has gone crazy and got the gun' he does not mention being shot or Sheila shooting anyone. This corroborates that Neville rang before he was shot.

2. Neville was not shot in bed, because his side of the bed has no blood stains on them as opposed to June's side of the bed we know she was shot in bed for that very reason. Plus the location of the shell casings don't show Neville was shot in bed but was shot coming up the stairs towards the bedroom.

Or shot just after he got out of bed in the bedroom?

[David1819]

Or shot just after he got out of bed in the bedroom?

No, because the blood stains all belong to June. Plus the bullet entrance wounds are at an angle meaning the shooter was at an elevated position.

Plus If Jeremy had Neville at such a point blank range he would have just put a shot between his eyes or forehead and that would be the end of it.

Knowing this I have devised my own theory on how the events would unfold had Jeremy been the Killer.

1- Jeremy enters via toilet window, Then he walks towards the gun cupboard to get the gun.

2- While Jeremy is getting the gun and ammo from the cupboard Neville wakes up from Jeremy doing this so he gets out of bed and starts to walk quietly downstairs via the main staircase.

3. Unaware that Neville is awake and walking downstairs, Jeremy then goes quietly upstairs via the staircase over the gun cupboard once he is all loaded and ready

4. Neville then walks around downstairs trying to work out what waked him while Jeremy is walking towards the main bedroom upstairs

5. Then Jeremy shoots June several times and was also expecting Neville in there also. Hearing the shots and screams Neville rushes upstairs calling June

6. Jeremy realises Neville is coming upstairs so he is goes towards the bedroom door where he sees him almost up the stairs  and the shoots at Neville forcing him to retreat back downstairs towards the kitchen.

[Adam]

What is very interesting is that if Neville rang Jeremy he had to have done so before he was shot. This scenario is actually corroborated by two pieces of evidence.

1. The alleged call to Jeremy. Neville sais 'Sheila has gone crazy and got the gun' he does not mention being shot or Sheila shooting anyone. This corroborates that Neville rang before he was shot.

2. Neville was not shot in bed, because his side of the bed has no blood stains on them as opposed to June's side of the bed we know she was shot in bed for that very reason. Plus the location of the shell casings don't show Neville was shot in bed but was shot coming up the stairs towards the bedroom.

Neville was shot four times in the bedroom.

Unlike June, who was shot while sleeping with her head on the pillow, Neville woke seconds before suffering the same fate. Hearing June being shot even though the rifle had a silencer on.

[sami]

What is very interesting is that if Neville rang Jeremy he had to have done so before he was shot. This scenario is actually corroborated by two pieces of evidence.

1. The alleged call to Jeremy. Neville sais 'Sheila has gone crazy and got the gun' he does not mention being shot or Sheila shooting anyone. This corroborates that Neville rang before he was shot.

2. Neville was not shot in bed, because his side of the bed has no blood stains on them as opposed to June's side of the bed we know she was shot in bed for that very reason. Plus the location of the shell casings don't show Neville was shot in bed but was shot coming up the stairs towards the bedroom.

you mention shell casings when it suits you,yet you cant explain how the 2 casing near sheila were on each side of the body,the rifle ejects spent cases forward and to the right,ive seen your post on the magic shellcase theory,its a bit like JFK but its impossible that shellcase hit the beside cabinet and landed there,

[lookout]

you mention shell casings when it suits you,yet you cant explain how the 2 casing near sheila were on each side of the body,the rifle ejects spent cases forward and to the right,ive seen your post on the magic shellcase theory,its a bit like JFK but its impossible that shellcase hit the beside cabinet and landed there,

Why don't you suggest how the casings became where they were found instead of disputing posts all the time ?

[sami]

No, because the blood stains all belong to June. Plus the bullet entrance wounds are at an angle meaning the shooter was at an elevated position.

Plus If Jeremy had Neville at such a point blank range he would have just put a shot between his eyes or forehead and that would be the end of it.

Knowing this I have devised my own theory on how the events would unfold had Jeremy been the Killer.

1- Jeremy enters via toilet window, Then he walks towards the gun cupboard to get the gun.

2- While Jeremy is getting the gun and ammo from the cupboard Neville wakes up from Jeremy doing this so he gets out of bed and starts to walk quietly downstairs via the main staircase.

3. Unaware that Neville is awake and walking downstairs, Jeremy then goes quietly upstairs via the staircase over the gun cupboard once he is all loaded and ready

4. Neville then walks around downstairs trying to work out what waked him while Jeremy is walking towards the main bedroom upstairs

5. Then Jeremy shoots June several times and was also expecting Neville in there also. Hearing the shots and screams Neville rushes upstairs calling June

6. Jeremy realises Neville is coming upstairs so he is goes towards the bedroom door where he sees him almost up the stairs  and the shoots at Neville forcing him to retreat back downstairs towards the kitchen.

was every drop of blood on neville's side tested,imo jb would not have run the risk of making 2 trips ,hence i feel he was already there staying the night,its true he did load the rifle that night but he did NOT leave it out but returned it to the guncupboard,he than calmly woke sometime that morning and done the business

[sami]

Why don't you suggest how the casings became where they were found instead of disputing posts all the time ?

do keep up dear,ive already put my view forward ,the shooter 'jb' was on the left hand side of sheila as we look at it'the photo'the angle the bullet entered and where the shellcase was found fits

[Steve_uk]

No, because the blood stains all belong to June. Plus the bullet entrance wounds are at an angle meaning the shooter was at an elevated position.

Plus If Jeremy had Neville at such a point blank range he would have just put a shot between his eyes or forehead and that would be the end of it.

Knowing this I have devised my own theory on how the events would unfold had Jeremy been the Killer.

1- Jeremy enters via toilet window, Then he walks towards the gun cupboard to get the gun.

2- While Jeremy is getting the gun and ammo from the cupboard Neville wakes up from Jeremy doing this so he gets out of bed and starts to walk quietly downstairs via the main staircase.

3. Unaware that Neville is awake and walking downstairs, Jeremy then goes quietly upstairs via the staircase over the gun cupboard once he is all loaded and ready

4. Neville then walks around downstairs trying to work out what waked him while Jeremy is walking towards the main bedroom upstairs

5. Then Jeremy shoots June several times and was also expecting Neville in there also. Hearing the shots and screams Neville rushes upstairs calling June

6. Jeremy realises Neville is coming upstairs so he is goes towards the bedroom door where he sees him almost up the stairs  and the shoots at Neville forcing him to retreat back downstairs towards the kitchen.

I don't think Jeremy would risk faffing about loading the gun; far more likely he had hidden it in the barn or some convenient place.  It has to look like Nevill has made a call to Police so either Jeremy finishes everyone off quickly and replaces the bedroom telephone from the kitchen or orders Nevill downstairs at gunpoint, where Nevill makes a dash for the kitchen phone, leaving his bloodied fingerprints on the kitchen worktop. There's also Nevill's blood on the wallpaper in the hall suggesting Jeremy fired at him from the stairs as Nevill made a run towards the kitchen phone.

[David1819]

you mention shell casings when it suits you,yet you cant explain how the 2 casing near sheila were on each side of the body,the rifle ejects spent cases forward and to the right,ive seen your post on the magic shellcase theory,its a bit like JFK but its impossible that shellcase hit the beside cabinet and landed there,

Of course its possible. go back those experiments I showed you.

As for the general locations, IMO You can see a pattern emerge. I marked them with crosses, The yellow shell cases are from shots to Sheila, 7 of the 8 green shell casings are shots to June and the four Blue shell casings are shots to Neville. (If anyone is wondering why there are 14 shells in the diagram when the official narrative says 13 shots were fired I do not know)

[sami]

Of course its possible. go back those experiments I showed you.

As for the general locations, IMO You can see a pattern emerge. I marked them with crosses, The yellow shell cases are from shots to Sheila, 7 of the 8 green shell casings are shots to June and the four Blue shell casings are shots to Neville. (If anyone is wondering why there are 14 shells in the diagram when the official narrative says 13 shots were fired I do not know)

what experiments,you said the bullet case hit the bedside cabinet and landed there,which i sais was impossible ,imo

[David1819]

what experiments,you said the bullet case hit the bedside cabinet and landed there,which i sais was impossible ,imo

I have attached the PDF below. 

[lookout]

Because this heading included mysterious calls,I remember reading about how stroppy Neville was on the phone when speaking to a male. This was shortly before the tragedy or it could even have been on the morning of the 7th.
Anyone else remember Neville's mystery caller ?