Questions about Neville's 'mysterious' call to Bamber:

[Adam]

Why didn't a fit Neville tackle Sheila himself instead of ringing Bamber ?

Why didn't Neville wake an available June,  instead of ringing Bamber ?

Why did June sleep through the noise meaning Neville chose to phone Bamber ?

What was Sheila doing when Neville phoned Bamber ?

Why would Neville leave everyone upstairs, asleep to make a downstairs call ?

Why didn't Neville phone the police instead ?

If Neville did phone the police, why did he also phone Bamber ?

Why didn't Neville phone the Foakes's, who were a minute away ?

How many minutes did Neville have to wait for Bamber to wake & answer his call ?

Why was Neville prepared to wait so long for Bamber to answer ?

Would Neville expect Bamber to not answer at all, either due to not waking, or waking and ignoring the phone ?

Would Neville be expecting to just get Bamber's answering machine ?

How did Bamber wake from sleeping 'like a log' and get to the telephone before the answering machine switched on.

Why would Neville phone Bamber if they had a poor relationship ?

Why would Neville phone Bamber if he knew Bamber and Sheila 'didn't like each other' ?

Would Bamber have heard Neville's phone call if upstairs 'sleeping like a log' with his bedroom door shut ?

Why didn't Neville phone other available relatives ?

Why would Neville put his son in danger ?

After waiting for several minutes for Bamber to answer, why did Neville then only say 11 words ?

Bamber had no key for WHF. What was Neville expecting Bamber to do ?

Bamber was three miles away. How was Neville expecting Bamber to be of immediate assistance ?

If Neville was not able to physically stop Sheila and did not believe him and June would be able to, why ask Bamber to come over ?

If Neville did not wake June because he didn't want to put her in danger, why put his son in danger ?

What was Neville expecting Bamber to do, that a fully fit Neville and June could not do ?

Would Neville expect Bamber to answer a ringing phone at 3am, if it woke him ?

Bamber rang the police upon getting Neville's call. If Neville believed Bamber might do this, why didn't Neville ring the police himself ?

Did Bamber's phone have a loud ring tone that would travel across rooms, up stairs and through doors ?

Would Neville not be expecting to just get Bamber's answering machine  ?

If Neville was just planning to leave a message on Bamber's answering machine, how would that assist him ?

Would Neville not be expecting Bamber to be scared to do anything if he told her that Sheila had 'gone crazy and has got the gun' ?

[sami]

as someone who knew the bambers once said,jb would be the last person neville would phone,also adam i think the call was a big part of jb's plan,he made it up so he could be outside with police conducting them as to what they should think and expect,which he done masterfully i might add,taff jones  fell for the oscar winning performance 

[lookout]

Rubbish !

[sami]

Rubbish !

now now lookout ,your very touchie ,did you burn your lunch or something

[David1819]

Adam most of these questions have pretty straight forward possible answers. for example

What was Sheila doing when Neville phoned Bamber ?

Exactly what Neville was saying

Why would Neville leave everyone upstairs, asleep to make a downstairs call ?

He cant make a call upstairs. only phone is downstairs

What was Neville expecting Bamber to do, that a fully fit Neville and June could not do ?

He obviously thought he could not handle the situation

Why didn't a fit Neville tackle Sheila himself instead of ringing Bamber ?

After the phone call he does try and fails.

Bamber had no key for WHF. What was Neville expecting Bamber to do ?

You seem to be suggesting that Neville would somehow know he would already be dead by the time Jeremy shows up and thus cannot let him in.


All in All if someone is in such a scenario they don't have time to ratioanlise their descisions. They make snap judgements whether good or bad.

[Adam]

It's good that you answered 6 of my 30 questions.

So Sheila was 'going crazy with the gun' when Neville phoned Bamber ? Thought it would have been a bit late to phone anyone.

Thought there was an upstairs study phone. The bedroom phone mysteriously in the kitchen.

If a 6.4 Neville together with June felt they could not handle the situation, they still really had no choice but to try. Sheila was 'going crazy with the gun'. The quickest Bamber could get there was 15 minutes. If he answered the phone. Neville didn't even wake June to see if the two of them could handle the situation. She was shot with her head on the pillow. As it happened Bamber never went within 50 yards of WHF all night.

Why phone Bamber if Neville's going tackle Sheila himself ?

No, if Bamber can't let himself into WHF, and Neville can't get to the door to let him in,  how can Bamber assist ?

[Adam]

I'm sure both supporters and guilters agree, the last thing Neville would do in the alleged situation was phone Bamber. He had several better options.

Or he had no options at all if things escalated quickly with Sheila.  If she was going crazy with the gun, there was no time to phone anyone, especially an asleep Bamber.

There is a zero chance Neville considered phoning Bamber, if he ever did consider asking for and then waiting for outside help. He certainly didn't phone the Flokes's or other relatives and the police have never said he phoned them.

It is not surprising the judge called Neville's phone call 'mysterious' (difficult or impossible to understand or explain).

[guest7363]

I'm sure both supporters and guilters agree, the last thing Neville would do in the alleged situation was phone Bamber. He had several better options.

Or he had no options at all if things escalated quickly with Sheila.  If she was going crazy with the gun, there was no time to phone anyone, especially an asleep Bamber.

There is a zero chance Neville considered phoning Bamber, if he ever did consider asking for and then waiting for outside help. He certainly didn't phone the Flokes's or other relatives and the police have never said he phoned them.

It is not surprising the judge called Neville's phone call 'mysterious' (difficult or impossible to understand or explain).

Some very good points Adam, I find it very hard to believe that had Sheila been going crazy with a gun, that Neville would leave everyone to go phone Bamber.  Adrenalin would have kicked in with Neville and he would have tackled Sheila with his survival instinct. 

[lookout]

How would anyone " tackle " someone who was going " berserk " with a gun ?

[Adam]

How would anyone " tackle " someone who was going " berserk " with a gun ?

That's a good point, what was Neville expecting Bamber to do which he couldn't do ?

Lookout why don't you answer my 30 questions. If there are good answers it might explain why Neville chose to phone Bamber.

[guest7363]

How would anyone " tackle " someone who was going " berserk " with a gun ?

The same way a hero 70 odd year old had a go at that tw@t who shot an innocent MP. Adrenalin kicks in.

[Jane]

The same way a hero 70 odd year old had a go at that tw@t who shot an innocent MP. Adrenalin kicks in.

Well said, Justice. How come Nevill, the hero who would tackle anyone and, according to Lookout, could have floored an armed Jeremy with one finger, has suddenly become incapable of tackling Sheila because she has a gun?

[lookout]

The same way a hero 70 odd year old had a go at that tw@t who shot an innocent MP. Adrenalin kicks in.

It would have mattered not if Neville had been 7ft----those wielding a gun would win.
How much adrenaline would Neville have had late at night after a full days work in the fields ? Who was there to protect Neville from a hail of bullets ? Who was there to have come behind the shooter ?
What was to stop someone from using a phone upstairs while the shooter was downstairs ?

Talking about the murderer in Leeds,how many people surrounded the monster to stop him ? There is normally a small crowd when an MP is around.?   

[Jane]

It would have mattered not if Neville had been 7ft----those wielding a gun would win.
How much adrenaline would Neville have had late at night after a full days work in the fields ? Who was there to protect Neville from a hail of bullets ? Who was there to have come behind the shooter ?
What was to stop someone from using a phone upstairs while the shooter was downstairs ?

Talking about the murderer in Leeds,how many people surrounded the monster to stop him ? There is normally a small crowd when an MP is around.?

Lookout, I can't quote the amount of times that you've said Nevill would have had no trouble in flooring Jeremy.

[lookout]

Lookout, I can't quote the amount of times that you've said Nevill would have had no trouble in flooring Jeremy.

Man to man ?? Neville obviously wasn't the type to floor a woman !