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Offline David1819

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The other day I came across this published study from Forensic Science International. I found the conclusions very interesting. One man shot himself under the chin 7 times with the exact same type of ammunition and weapon as the Anschutz.

Influence of ballistic and autopsy parameters on the manner of death in case of long firearms fatalities from the Clinical Research Unit, Ambroise Pare´ Hospital


Concerning the number of shots,
previous series showed that multiple entrance wounds
suggested homicide When suicide, there is commonly
a single gunshot, but cases who fired more than once was not
infrequent in our study (about 11% of the suicide cases). Some
cases of suicide with multiple gunshot wounds have been
reported in the literature [18–26]. This is due to the fact that
immediate incapacitation occurs only if essential centers in the
CNS or upper cervical spinal cord are injured, rapid
incapacitation occurring when hits produce massive bleeding
(heart, major vessels) [27–29]. In our study, all cases with
multiple gunshot wounds involved small caliber long arms
(0.22 rimfire),
which have a lower temporary
cavitation and less lethal effect than high caliber weapons. The
suicide case with seven shots included in our study
corresponded to a 50-year-old man who fired himself in the
under chin area 7 shots using a small caliber (0.22 rimfire)
semi-automatic rifle.
There was a penetration of four bullets in
the skull in the frontal brain lobes, the other shots leading to
fractures of facial bones without entering the skull. A smallcaliber
bullet can involve the frontal lobes without producing
instantaneous incapacitation

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Re: Multiple Gunshot Suicide is Common with .22 Rimfire Ammo
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2016, 03:48:PM »
The other day I came across this published study from Forensic Science International. I found the conclusions very interesting. One man shot himself under the chin 7 times with the exact same type of ammunition and weapon as the Anschutz.

Influence of ballistic and autopsy parameters on the manner of death in case of long firearms fatalities from the Clinical Research Unit, Ambroise Pare´ Hospital


Concerning the number of shots,
previous series showed that multiple entrance wounds
suggested homicide When suicide, there is commonly
a single gunshot, but cases who fired more than once was not
infrequent in our study (about 11% of the suicide cases). Some
cases of suicide with multiple gunshot wounds have been
reported in the literature [18–26]. This is due to the fact that
immediate incapacitation occurs only if essential centers in the
CNS or upper cervical spinal cord are injured, rapid
incapacitation occurring when hits produce massive bleeding
(heart, major vessels) [27–29]. In our study, all cases with
multiple gunshot wounds involved small caliber long arms
(0.22 rimfire),
which have a lower temporary
cavitation and less lethal effect than high caliber weapons. The
suicide case with seven shots included in our study
corresponded to a 50-year-old man who fired himself in the
under chin area 7 shots using a small caliber (0.22 rimfire)
semi-automatic rifle.
There was a penetration of four bullets in
the skull in the frontal brain lobes, the other shots leading to
fractures of facial bones without entering the skull. A smallcaliber
bullet can involve the frontal lobes without producing
instantaneous incapacitation



And this is taking into account such variables as age, height, gender, proficiency etc. ?

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« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2016, 04:28:PM »
Stands to reason that a lower calibre weapon would need too be fired multiple times in which to take effect,unless the shooter was familiar with the weapon and knew where to shoot "with effect" rather than use the gun in a frenzy.

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Re: Multiple Gunshot Suicide is Common with .22 Rimfire Ammo
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2016, 04:34:PM »
The other day I came across this published study from Forensic Science International. I found the conclusions very interesting. One man shot himself under the chin 7 times with the exact same type of ammunition and weapon as the Anschutz.

Influence of ballistic and autopsy parameters on the manner of death in case of long firearms fatalities from the Clinical Research Unit, Ambroise Pare´ Hospital


Concerning the number of shots,
previous series showed that multiple entrance wounds
suggested homicide When suicide, there is commonly
a single gunshot, but cases who fired more than once was not
infrequent in our study (about 11% of the suicide cases). Some
cases of suicide with multiple gunshot wounds have been
reported in the literature [18–26]. This is due to the fact that
immediate incapacitation occurs only if essential centers in the
CNS or upper cervical spinal cord are injured, rapid
incapacitation occurring when hits produce massive bleeding
(heart, major vessels) [27–29]. In our study, all cases with
multiple gunshot wounds involved small caliber long arms
(0.22 rimfire),
which have a lower temporary
cavitation and less lethal effect than high caliber weapons. The
suicide case with seven shots included in our study
corresponded to a 50-year-old man who fired himself in the
under chin area 7 shots using a small caliber (0.22 rimfire)
semi-automatic rifle.
There was a penetration of four bullets in
the skull in the frontal brain lobes, the other shots leading to
fractures of facial bones without entering the skull. A smallcaliber
bullet can involve the frontal lobes without producing
instantaneous incapacitation

iam sure there are others who have committed suicide with a single .22 shot.under chin area could mean anywhere

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Re: Multiple Gunshot Suicide is Common with .22 Rimfire Ammo
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2016, 04:42:PM »
  Yes,those who are more versed in the art of shooting a human using a .22 !

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« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2016, 04:49:PM »
  Yes,those who are more versed in the art of shooting a human using a .22 !
like jb you mean,i agree,lets face it 25 shots hit there mark and some were headshots on a moving person,could sheila really have made those shots ,while in a frenzy,i doubt it :)

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« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2016, 05:31:PM »
like jb you mean,i agree,lets face it 25 shots hit there mark and some were headshots on a moving person,could sheila really have made those shots ,while in a frenzy,i doubt it :)





No,I didn't mean JB and you know it.Why are you being like this ?
 An amateur wouldn't miss a shot at a foot away and nearer. A child could have aimed as Sheila did.

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« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2016, 05:35:PM »




No,I didn't mean JB and you know it.Why are you being like this ?
 An amateur wouldn't miss a shot at a foot away and nearer. A child could have aimed as Sheila did.
i doubt if nb was a footaway from the rifle when first shot,being a war hero he would have lunged at the rifle and took it off sheila :)

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« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2016, 05:37:PM »




No,I didn't mean JB and you know it.Why are you being like this ?
 An amateur wouldn't miss a shot at a foot away and nearer. A child could have aimed as Sheila did.

Lookout you need to change stance.

There are over a hundred pieces of forensic evidence showing it was not Sheila. This means 100% it was Bamber. He knew about the crime, had several motives, an opportinity and no alibi.

There is also a mountain of circumstantial evidence and several pre massacre witnesses.

I did a detailed investigation on the silencer recently which again shows Bamber is 100% guilty.

I know it's hard but you have to face reality.
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2016, 05:44:PM »
Lookout you need to change stance.

There are over a hundred pieces of forensic evidence showing it was not Sheila. This means 100% it was Bamber. He knew about the crime, had several motives, an opportinity and no alibi.

There is also a mountain of circumstantial evidence and several pre massacre witnesses.

I did a detailed investigation on the silencer recently which again shows Bamber is 100% guilty.

I know it's hard but you have to face reality.






Why do I need to change stance when  don't believe a word that comes from the guilty side.
Don't tell me what to do.My mind was made up years before yours.
It seems that you have a problem with me and my views.I suggest you look to yourself and your own problem with wanting me to change stance as that isn't natural/normal.

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Re: Multiple Gunshot Suicide is Common with .22 Rimfire Ammo
« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2016, 05:47:PM »





Why do I need to change stance when  don't believe a word that comes from the guilty side.
Don't tell me what to do.My mind was made up years before yours.
It seems that you have a problem with me and my views.I suggest you look to yourself and your own problem with wanting me to change stance as that isn't natural/normal.

It's not the guilty side. It's forensic and circumstantial evidence.
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2016, 06:10:PM »
It's not the guilty side. It's forensic and circumstantial evidence.





NO forensic evidence and what you'd call circumstantial,I call mud-slinging and hearsay with no substance.

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« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2016, 06:21:PM »
It's not the guilty side. It's forensic and circumstantial evidence.

hi everyone, im back, renovating an old house so been very busy. Might be a bit hit and miss but always keeping up with it all.

adam the forensic evidence you keep reminding us all about is circumstantial evidence.

Circumstantial evidence allows for more than one explanation

in turn we all look and see this evidence from a differet viewpoint , you really must stop trying to tell lookout to change stance its completely up to her to view the evidence as she sees it.

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« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2016, 06:26:PM »
hi everyone, im back, renovating an old house so been very busy. Might be a bit hit and miss but always keeping up with it all.

adam the forensic evidence you keep reminding us all about is circumstantial evidence.

Circumstantial evidence allows for more than one explanation

in turn we all look and see this evidence from a differet viewpoint , you really must stop trying to tell lookout to change stance its completely up to her to view the evidence as she sees it.





Hi notsure,good to see you and glad to learn you've been keeping out of mischief. ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2016, 06:28:PM »
hi everyone, im back, renovating an old house so been very busy. Might be a bit hit and miss but always keeping up with it all.

adam the forensic evidence you keep reminding us all about is circumstantial evidence.

Circumstantial evidence allows for more than one explanation

in turn we all look and see this evidence from a differet viewpoint , you really must stop trying to tell lookout to change stance its completely up to her to view the evidence as she sees it.
nice to see you back ,notsure :)