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[Jane]

Sheila’s doctor, Hugh Ferguson from St Andrew’s Hospital, Northampton, told the court that Sheila had “bizarre delusions about possession by the devil.” She had told him she hated her mother and, in the past, she had seen herself as both Joan of Arc and the Virgin Mary. Sheila had been discharged as recently as March 29, 1985 (four months before the murders), and Dr Ferguson wrote he “was not happy about her leaving so soon.”

http://jimshelley.com/crime/jeremy-bamber/

I would be interested to know if Dr. F. specified that those "bizarre delusions" occurred during her 1985 stay. Other than saying she made little mention of her family during that time, I don'r recall him saying much else about her condition. I will allow that he'd have preferred her to stay another week(?) but he appreciated that she didn't want to meet Christine for the first time whilst she was in a psych ward. I find ambiguous what he says above.

[David1819]

I would be interested to know if Dr. F. specified that those "bizarre delusions" occurred during her 1985 stay. Other than saying she made little mention of her family during that time, I don'r recall him saying much else about her condition. I will allow that he'd have preferred her to stay another week(?) but he appreciated that she didn't want to meet Christine for the first time whilst she was in a psych ward. I find ambiguous what he says above.

Why does it matter? No need to overcomplicate things. The fact of the matter is Sheila was religious to an extent. Plus she had delusions all of a religious theme as a result of her mental illness and those symptoms would remain for as long as the illness that is causing them.

IMO taking the delusions aside Sheila seems like someone who would be religious when it suits them and when they need faith for what ever reason, Unlike June who was a 24/7 fanatic

[Caroline]

Sheila’s doctor, Hugh Ferguson from St Andrew’s Hospital, Northampton, told the court that Sheila had “bizarre delusions about possession by the devil.” She had told him she hated her mother and, in the past, she had seen herself as both Joan of Arc and the Virgin Mary. Sheila had been discharged as recently as March 29, 1985 (four months before the murders), and Dr Ferguson wrote he “was not happy about her leaving so soon.”

http://jimshelley.com/crime/jeremy-bamber/

As did Jeremy to other people but Sheila was taking anti-psychotic meds and Jeremy ..... well, he was still telling people he hated his mother.

[Steve_uk]

I would be interested to know if Dr. F. specified that those "bizarre delusions" occurred during her 1985 stay. Other than saying she made little mention of her family during that time, I don'r recall him saying much else about her condition. I will allow that he'd have preferred her to stay another week(?) but he appreciated that she didn't want to meet Christine for the first time whilst she was in a psych ward. I find ambiguous what he says above.

Of course the Defence has to labour Sheila's illness and who can blame them for playing their strongest card? Yet it pales into insignificance whether Sheila laughed inappropriately or discussed suicide with Helen Grimster when compared to Jeremy's overweening malevolence.

[Caroline]

Of course the Defence has to labour Sheila's illness and who can blame them for playing their strongest card? Yet it pales into insignificance whether Sheila laughed inappropriately or discussed suicide with Helen Grimster when compared to Jeremy's overweening malevolence.

It's their ONLY card.

[sami]

Of course the Defence has to labour Sheila's illness and who can blame them for playing their strongest card? Yet it pales into insignificance whether Sheila laughed inappropriately or discussed suicide with Helen Grimster when compared to Jeremy's overweening malevolence.

excellently put,steve

[Jane]

Why does it matter? No need to overcomplicate things. The fact of the matter is Sheila was religious to an extent. Plus she had delusions all of a religious theme as a result of her mental illness and those symptoms would remain for as long as the illness that is causing them.

IMO taking the delusions aside Sheila seems like someone who would be religious when it suits them and when they need faith for what ever reason, Unlike June who was a 24/7 fanatic

I don't recall that any of her friends has said of her that Sheila spent any of her time with them talking about religion but as I understand how far she may have gone to raise herself in June's eyes, she MAY have used religion as a way of doing it which strikes more of conscience decision than delusional behaviour.

I believe you read June wrongly. I don't believe she was a 24/7 fanatic. I DO believe she was a dedicated and devout Christian who turned to her faith to put right those things she believed were wrong within her children.

[Steve_uk]

I don't recall that any of her friends has said of her that Sheila spent any of her time with them talking about religion but as I understand how far she may have gone to raise herself in June's eyes, she MAY have used religion as a way of doing it which strikes more of conscience decision than delusional behaviour.

I believe you read June wrongly. I don't believe she was a 24/7 fanatic. I DO believe she was a dedicated and devout Christian who turned to her faith to put right those things she believed were wrong within her children.

That's very well put Jane. But what a hypocrite to believe in the sanctity of human life, yet driving her daughter hurriedly to the abortion clinic..

[Jane]

That's very well put Jane. But what a hypocrite to believe in the sanctity of human life, yet driving her daughter hurriedly to the abortion clinic..

So you can understand the constant conflict going on for June, can't you, Steve, between adhering to God's law and what she believed God might expect, by way of perfection, from her daughter.

[David1819]

Of course the Defence has to labour Sheila's illness and who can blame them for playing their strongest card? Yet it pales into insignificance whether Sheila laughed inappropriately or discussed suicide with Helen Grimster when compared to Jeremy's overweening malevolence.

Pales into insignificance? You failed to mention she believed she was Joan of Arc and that she thought her children were possessed by the devil and trying to seduce her. 

[David1819]

No they never are, given the prodigious fees they charge.

you seem very cynical of things

[Steve_uk]

Pales into insignificance? You failed to mention she believed she was Joan of Arc and that she thought her children were possessed by the devil and trying to seduce her.

These are delusions which could even in the 1980s be controlled by neuroleptic drugs.

[Steve_uk]

So you can understand the constant conflict going on for June, can't you, Steve, between adhering to God's law and what she believed God might expect, by way of perfection, from her daughter.

But why dent her confidence even further by refusing to let her be married in white and in church?

[Jane]

But why dent her confidence even further by refusing to let her be married in white and in church?

Sins must be paid for, Steve. There's no such thing as a free lunch.

[Steve_uk]

Sins must be paid for, Steve. There's no such thing as a free lunch.

Yet what a chance for a fresh start between mother, daughter and son-in-law. It just tells me she still may have had a problem in 1977 when the marriage took place, Jeremy says his relationship with June deteriorated from 1978 and June was hospitalized for the second time in 1982.