Obstacles preventing Sheila putting the silencer on prior to the first shots: :

[Adam]

There is overwhelming evidence and agreement that the silencer was on the rifle during the massacre. The evidence shows the silencer had to be put onto the rifle by Sheila prior to the first shots being fired. 

The big question here which if it cannot be answered will surely result in all supporters changing stance is - did Sheila have the opportunity to put the silencer on ?

Obstacles preventing Sheila putting the silencer on:

She was in a rage so would not be calm down long enough to do this. 

She may not know how to put the silencer on.
 
She may not know which silencer fitted the rifle.

She may not realise the rifle can be used with a silencer.

She may not know there was an available silencer at WHF.

Neville was awake and would have prevented her from doing this.

If Neville was not awake, she did not need to put the silencer on as could just shoot everyone in bed while they slept.

If Neville was awake but Sheila still had the opportunity to put the silencer on, why bother ? Neville was awake.

Bamber is claiming Sheila took a spontaneous decision because he left a rifle in the middle of the kitchen. This contradicts Sheila then looking for and fiddling around with a silencer 

If Neville was awake but Sheila still had the opportinity to put the silencer on, why not just shoot Neville instead ?

The silencer was small and in a cluttered gun cupboard. It may have been hard to find.

The silencer had no effect on the effectiveness of the bullets.

The rifle was already long, and so was the silencer. Sheila was planning to kill herself. Sub conciously she may consider this will be harder with a silencer attached.

The evidence shows the only opportunity Sheila had to put on the silencer was prior to the first upstairs shots. The kitchen fight was straight after these shots. Why put it on if Neville was asleep ? This also rules out Neville phoning Jeremy.

If everyone was aleep, getting and putting on the silencer may wake people.

If Sheila was in a rage and Neville awake, there would be a lot of noise inside WHF. So a bit late to put the silencer on to keep things quiet.

There was a loaded rifle in the kitchen. If Sheila was in such a rage to spontaneously start shooting people, she will do so. Rather than fiddle around with a silencer, which requires a calm head.

[Adam]

Just to clarify, Sheila had to put the silencer on prior to the first shots being fired.

This is because the aga paint was on the silencer, showing the silencer was on the rifle during the kitchen fight. This fight was directly after the first shots at Neville and June in the main bedroom.

A poster yesterday said Sheila put the silencer onto the rifle after the kitchen fight, so the twins would not wake when recieving their 8 shots. This is not supported by the aga evidence and is an irrational theory.

[lookout]

There is NO overwhelming evidence that the silencer had been attached during the killings. Rubbish.

[Adam]

There is NO overwhelming evidence that the silencer had been attached during the killings. Rubbish.

You agreed yesterday. Agreeing with Lehab that the silencer was put on after the kitchen fight. Which is impossible due to the aga paint.

[Adam]

Forensic reasons why the silencer was used:

There was a silencer available inside WHF which fitted the murder weapon rifle.

Bamber said he knew how to use the rifle. Which would include putting a silencer on and taking it off.

The silencer on this rifle is to assist in shooting vermin/rabbits. Bamber said he went out to shoot rabbits that night. So is likely to use the rifle with the silencer attached. 

People said they saw the rifle with the silencer attached before the massacre.

If the silencer was not attached to the rifle when Bamber went for supper, Bamber had the opportunity to put the silencer on while at supper.

Bamber also had the opportunity to put the silencer on when returning to WHF. Neville did not wake until shots had been fired.

There was no need to take off the silencer. The rifle fitted in the gun cupboard with the silencer attached.

A silencer makes the gun shot noise almost silent. Video available. This is a big advantage in a silent execution attempt.

Only Neville woke while he was laying next to June. Partly due to the low noise level of 26 gun shots.

Several of the victims received contact shots. However there was no blood back splatter on the rifle nozzle.

There was human blood inside the silencer. The rifle was quite new and had not been used by anyone outside of the family.

A blood expert said the human blood was Sheila's with a remote possibility of it being a mixture of June's and Neville's. They all received close range/contact shots.

There was paint from the aga inside the silencer. Which the judge said shows it was on during the kitchen fight.

The kitchen fight was certainly after June and Neville had been shot and possibly after the twins had been shot. There was no point in taking it off to shoot Sheila.

The rifle with the silencer on was too long for Sheila to shoot herself. Which explains why it had been taken off and put away.

The Arizona tests show that Neville's rifle burn marks were done with a rifle minus a silencer. Which explains why the paint, hair and blood evidence inside the silencer was not destroyed.

It is not possible for the relatives to expertly put incriminating blood and paint into the silencer.

There is no forensic evidence that the police and lab team fabricated the silencer evidence.


Did you forget about these reasons ? It was only posted yesterday.

[lookout]

You're wasting your time with these REPEATED threads. Particularly as the outcome WON'T be as you've planned it to be.

[Adam]

You're wasting your time with these REPEATED threads. Particularly as the outcome WON'T be as you've planned it to be.

Well there are 19 pieces of foremsic evidence showing the silencer was used. Whether that is overwhelming or not is a matter of perspective

You and Lehab agreed yesterday. Although both said Sheila put the silencer on mid massacre.

[lookout]

Neither lebaleb nor myself agreed. What's the matter with you guilters ? Trying to mess with our brains or what,because you're not half coming out with some twisted versions of our posts.?

[Adam]

Neither lebaleb nor myself agreed. What's the matter with you guilters ? Trying to mess with our brains or what,because you're not half coming out with some twisted versions of our posts.?

Have you forgotten what you posted yesterday  ?

You must follow the evidence in a murder case. Not just make things up for attention. It's disrespectful to the victims.

[sami]

Have you forgotten what you posted yesterday  ?

You must follow the evidence in a murder case. Not just make things up for attention. It's disrespectful to the victims.

thats true adam

[lookout]

Have you forgotten what you posted yesterday  ?

You must follow the evidence in a murder case. Not just make things up for attention. It's disrespectful to the victims.

Shut up.You don't know what you're talking about. It's YOU who's seeking attention with your threads in case you fall to the bottom of the pile.

[lebaleb]

You agreed yesterday. Agreeing with Lehab that the silencer was put on after the kitchen fight. Which is impossible due to the aga paint.

If Lehab means me then I never said such a thing. IMO There was NO kitchen fight!

[sami]

If Lehab means me then I never said such a thing. IMO There was NO kitchen fight!

how did the lampshade get broken who gave nb black eyes broken nose

[Adam]

If Lehab means me then I never said such a thing. IMO There was NO kitchen fight!

My apologies. You said -

"Sheila could have used the rifle without silencer then attached it to shoot the children fearing they would wake. Later removing it to facilitate her suicide. How difficult could attaching a silencer be? You just screw it on and off.
When she attached the silencer Neville was already incapacitated or dead."

I assumed you meant after the kitchen fight as you are saying Sheila started the massacre without the silencer attached.

Of course there was a kitchen fight. The crime scene, aga paint in the silencer and Nevilles condition show this.

[Steve_uk]

My apologies. You said -

"Sheila could have used the rifle without silencer then attached it to shoot the children fearing they would wake. Later removing it to facilitate her suicide. How difficult could attaching a silencer be? You just screw it on and off.
When she attached the silencer Neville was already incapacitated or dead."

I assumed you meant after the kitchen fight as you are saying Sheila started the massacre without the silencer attached.

Of course there was a kitchen fight. The crime scene, aga paint in the silencer and Nevilles condition show this.

I agree, and can't help but recall Julie's statement that Jeremy had had some kind of mental blank and lost control(this also reminds me of the David Bain case). There's also the removal of the sights which primed the rifle for murder.