Obstacles preventing Sheila putting the silencer on prior to the first shots: :

[lebaleb]

My apologies. You said -

"Sheila could have used the rifle without silencer then attached it to shoot the children fearing they would wake. Later removing it to facilitate her suicide. How difficult could attaching a silencer be? You just screw it on and off.
When she attached the silencer Neville was already incapacitated or dead."

I assumed you meant after the kitchen fight as you are saying Sheila started the massacre without the silencer attached.

Of course there was a kitchen fight. The crime scene, aga paint in the silencer and Nevilles condition show this.

A fight is an exchange of blows. IMO Neville was beaten and bludgeoned but was unable to put up any resistance. He had been shot a minimum of three times, twice in the head.

[Adam]

A fight is an exchange of blows. IMO Neville was beaten and bludgeoned but was unable to put up any resistance. He had been shot a minimum of three times, twice in the head.

Going by the kitchen crime scene, paint in the silencer and Neville's terrible condition, I would call it a fight.

A 'tremendous' fight for life the judge called it. Bamber had shot Neville four times upstairs and chased him downstairs. Or Neville had followed Bamber downstairs when he went to reload.

[sami]

A fight is an exchange of blows. IMO Neville was beaten and bludgeoned but was unable to put up any resistance. He had been shot a minimum of three times, twice in the head.

the 2 to the face at that point were to the jaw,i think,the 4 that were to the head was agreed in court would have caused imidiate death or immobilisation

[Adam]

I agree, and can't help but recall Julie's statement that Jeremy had had some kind of mental blank and lost control(this also reminds me of the David Bain case). There's also the removal of the sights which primed the rifle for murder.

I don't believe he lost control. He was very much in control. He had a plan and an awake Neville was an obstacle. So he did everything he could to negate him as quickly as possible.

[sami]

I don't believe he lost control. He was very much in control. He had a plan and an awake Neville was an obstacle. So he did everything he could to negate him as quickly as possible.

i agree .but he could have lost control for a couple of minutes beacause it was a fight for life and death.having said that he quickly regained his composure to finish the job

[lookout]

Marvellous how one can slaughter 5 people and retain their composure in every way 

[sami]

Marvellous how one can slaughter 5 people and retain their composure in every way 

i agree ,he's not a robot

[lookout]

i agree ,he's not a robot

And never will be. Those killings were carried out by a maniac/mad person/serial killer, to which I don't recollect that JB has been diagnosed as such.

[lookout]

Sheila's fingerprints had also been found on a shotgun. I wonder if she'd tried fitting the silencer to that too ? 

[sami]

And never will be. Those killings were carried out by a maniac/mad person/serial killer, to which I don't recollect that JB has been diagnosed as such.

correct he hasnt been diagnosed as such

[sami]

Sheila's fingerprints had also been found on a shotgun. I wonder if she'd tried fitting the silencer to that too ?

thats interesting may well be she knew the basic's of the weapons at whf

[lookout]

To murder children you have to be someone with real mental issues,and in 30 years of incarceration this has never been found in JB at all. Sooner or later,these people begin to show traits of madness through violence and other symptoms pointing to a deranged personality. Nobody, who's under the scrutiny of  cameras which are placed in areas of a prison could ever hide the fact that a person is insane. To JB,this has been a 30 year surveillance for 24hrs a day with nothing to report.

[Adam]

i agree ,he's not a robot

No he's an inheritance killer. Lots of them have been convicted.

Can you think of a way Sheila could have committed the massacre ?

You need to include -

One/two phone calls.

A kitchen fight. 

The insertion and taking off of the silencer.

Sheila's blood getting into the silencer.

[John]

To murder children you have to be someone with real mental issues,and in 30 years of incarceration this has never been found in JB at all. Sooner or later,these people begin to show traits of madness through violence and other symptoms pointing to a deranged personality. Nobody, who's under the scrutiny of  cameras which are placed in areas of a prison could ever hide the fact that a person is insane. To JB,this has been a 30 year surveillance for 24hrs a day with nothing to report.

He isn't subject to surveillance 24 hours a day lookout, yet again your posts are wide of the mark.  With respect on this beautiful bank holiday weekend, do try and research the facts before spouting crap!

[John]

To murder children you have to be someone with real mental issues,and in 30 years of incarceration this has never been found in JB at all. Sooner or later,these people begin to show traits of madness through violence and other symptoms pointing to a deranged personality. Nobody, who's under the scrutiny of  cameras which are placed in areas of a prison could ever hide the fact that a person is insane. To JB,this has been a 30 year surveillance for 24hrs a day with nothing to report.

Not necessarily, all you need to be is a callous greedy bastard!