Who sowed the seeds

[Roch]

The dynamic has changed, as is always the case when a member of a group/family is missing.

I think it's been going on a lot longer than just since Lookout left.

[susan]

I think it's been going on a lot longer than just since Lookout left.

Roch I agree with you the forum is a different place since I joined it was a much happier place to be I think it has changed due to innocent posters changing to guilty that seems to have divided the group

[notsure]

Roch I agree with you the forum is a different place since I joined it was a much happier place to be I think it has changed due to innocent posters changing to guilty that seems to have divided the group

I'm hoping lookout will come back. I like her and miss her posting.i don't think I will have the stamina that she had in posting or debating against the guilters. Oh well
It
Looks like it's going to b very one sided now.

[susan]

I'm hoping lookout will come back. I like her and miss her posting.i don't think I will have the stamina that she had in posting or debating against the guilters. Oh well
It
Looks like it's going to b very one sided now.

Hi notsure

I hope lookout comes back she was this forum.  Some of her posts were not factual but then again many of the posts on here are somebody's opinion and not based on fact.  The JB case was never convicted on actual fact IMO not in a conclusive way anyway.  Notsure you post well and will do so against or with anyone.

[maggie]

Hi notsure

I hope lookout comes back she was this forum.  Some of her posts were not factual but then again many of the posts on here are somebody's opinion and not based on fact.  The JB case was never convicted on actual fact IMO not in a conclusive way anyway.  Notsure you post well and will do so against or with anyone.

I am pretty sure Lookout will be back after she's had a break for a while.  I hope so anyway.

I do agree the forum isn't the same without her. 

[notsure]

Hi notsure

I hope lookout comes back she was this forum.  Some of her posts were not factual but then again many of the posts on here are somebody's opinion and not based on fact.  The JB case was never convicted on actual fact IMO not in a conclusive way anyway.  Notsure you post well and will do so against or with anyone.

Thanks Susan, it is difficult sometimes isn't it, especially as I'm not as knowledgeable as bout the case as a lot on here. Thanks for the support x

[maggie]

David, I have removed your post, it was far too personal and sexist.

Post it again if you want to but I am sure you can phrase it without the sexist stuff.  Thanks 

[David1819]

There doesn't seem to be much restraint or measured posting going on.  This is what I mean by frenzy. There's a strange atmosphere on here at the moment.

There are a few individuals who have been on a lengthy and ulterior campaign to manipulate the forum towards guilt. Their reasons for why I do not know. But it has been obvious to myself and a few others for along time now. The forum is finally starting to catch up.

This 'frenzy' and 'strange atmosphere' are all manifestations of their campaign falling apart and losing their malevolent grip on the forum.

[Caroline]

I'm hoping lookout will come back. I like her and miss her posting.i don't think I will have the stamina that she had in posting or debating against the guilters. Oh well
It
Looks like it's going to b very one sided now.

Anyone who has the courage of their convictions shouldn't have a problem debating and be able to stick to the topic without getting personal.

[notsure]

Yes but we are all human and have feelings, some cope better than others.

I've had an unpleasant experience of being called a liar etc and it's blooming difficult to ignore all that stuff.  Different personalities and all that eh !

[maggie]

Yes but we are all human and have feelings, some cope better than others.

I've had an unpleasant experience of being called a liar etc and it's blooming difficult to ignore all that stuff.  Different personalities and all that eh !

I agree it can be really hard to take and hurt a lot but I think over time we all get hardened to it or leave.  It's certainly not worth getting upset about although that is easy to say and hard to carry out..

These days I have conditioned myself and I don't take anything personally, makes life much easier. 

[Jane]

Yes but we are all human and have feelings, some cope better than others.

I've had an unpleasant experience of being called a liar etc and it's blooming difficult to ignore all that stuff.  Different personalities and all that eh !

Notsure, believe me, you'll develop a thicker skin when you've been here for a while. If you don't, you may seriously need to consider your options. When I first joined, I was threatened by a poster, to the point of fearing my qualifications would be revoked. I've since seen that person do exactly the same to others. When all else fails, doubt is cast on posters' integrity. People here can tell you anything because we're all hiding behind a screen. The more devoted posters are to their cause, the more likely are they to lie through their teeth about their own connection to it. It becomes a game of point scoring. There are multitudes of personalities and agendas here. None of us knows you, personally. Don't take as personal any attack on you. We've ALL experienced them. The problem is theirs, NOT yours.

[maggie]

Notsure, believe me, you'll develop a thicker skin when you've been here for a while. If you don't, you may seriously need to consider your options. When I first joined, I was threatened by a poster, to the point of fearing my qualifications would be revoked. I've since seen that person do exactly the same to others. When all else fails, doubt is cast on posters' integrity. People here can tell you anything because we're all hiding behind a screen. The more devoted posters are to their cause, the more likely are they to lie through their teeth about their own connection to it. It becomes a game of point scoring. There are multitudes of personalities and agendas here. None of us knows you, personally. Don't take as personal any attack on you. We've ALL experienced them. The problem is theirs, NOT yours.

Well said Jane. 

A certain someone threatened me with the police the first week I was on here.  He continued to send threatening posts all through the night, I was terrified and didn't sleep a wink but of course it was rubbish.
He's not on here anymore.     

[JackiePreece]

There are a few individuals who have been on a lengthy and ulterior campaign to manipulate the forum towards guilt. Their reasons for why I do not know. But it has been obvious to myself and a few others for along time now. The forum is finally starting to catch up.

This 'frenzy' and 'strange atmosphere' are all manifestations of their campaign falling apart and losing their malevolent grip on the forum.

I completely agree David

[Adam]

haven't we completely missed the point though here Jane and maggie. There is no excuse not one single excuse that should allow the police to frame anyone. Not one single person. To say that any irish man would do makes it even worse doesn't it.

This isn't made up as fact Jane it is fact, police framed the Birmingham six and Guildford 4 , that was just awful.

The police didn't frame anyone in the Bamber case.

They didn't even change stance.

They just spent a month processing the wealth of forensic & circumstantial evidence and waited for witnesses to come forward. They also interviewed Bamber & other people.

Then after only a month, charged Bamber. He's still in prison.

Only the media ran with the Sheila being guilty story. And Taff Jones.

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