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Offline David1819

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Re: Why only Neville's back was burnt:
« Reply #90 on: April 27, 2016, 02:00:AM »
https://youtu.be/_i2CjYDJGTo

This is the video regarding Neville's back burns. Saying it was caused on the night. Bamber's legal team saying it was caused by the rifle without the silencer attached. Which all means nothing except for highlighting Bamber's guilt,  as there is no way Sheila would have been composed enough to stop and do this.


What makes you believe that?

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Re: Why only Neville's back was burnt:
« Reply #91 on: April 27, 2016, 03:26:AM »
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7341.msg347887.html#msg347887

It's preposturous to believe Sheila took the silencer off to burn Neville's back. Then put it back on and got someone else to shoot her twice so her blood was in the silencer. Then whoever shot her then took the silencer off and put it away.
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Re: Why only Neville's back was burnt:
« Reply #92 on: April 27, 2016, 09:21:PM »
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7341.msg347887.html#msg347887

It's preposturous to believe Sheila took the silencer off to burn Neville's back. Then put it back on and got someone else to shoot her twice so her blood was in the silencer. Then whoever shot her then took the silencer off and put it away.

Since Jeremy said he left the rifle in the scullery without a silencer. The marks on Neville corroborate what Jeremy has said. It also makes no sense for Jeremy to inflict those wounds, Neville was shot multiple times in the head, who in their right mind would need to check if he is still alive? Only someone out of their right mind - Sheila.

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Re: Why only Neville's back was burnt:
« Reply #93 on: April 27, 2016, 10:23:PM »
My thread post already says why Bamber chose to just burn Neville's back.

Bamber would tell the police he left the rifle out without the silencer. Because he knew he had taken it off after the massacre.

So Sheila in her crazy rage has now burnt Neville's back. After Neville.phoned Bamber.  Was that after or before she had a shower, got changed, got the bible, read the bible, wrote a suicide note and killed everyone else,

How did Sheila's blood get into the silencer ?
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Re: Why only Neville's back was burnt:
« Reply #94 on: April 27, 2016, 11:03:PM »
Just watching a documentary on the Menendez brothers.

They shot their mother and father several times with a shot gun. In the head, knee cap and torso. Then rang the police.

They both disliked their rich parents and then spent freely straight after the massacre.

The police made the mistake of not testing the hands of the brothers for gun shot residue on the night.

Unlike Bamber, both eventually admitted their crimes.
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Re: Why only Neville's back was burnt:
« Reply #95 on: April 27, 2016, 11:58:PM »
Just watching a documentary on the Menendez brothers.

They shot their mother and father several times with a shot gun. In the head, knee cap and torso. Then rang the police.

They both disliked their rich parents and then spent freely straight after the massacre.

The police made the mistake of not testing the hands of the brothers for gun shot residue on the night.

Unlike Bamber, both eventually admitted their crimes.

So you like to make comparisons to other crimes? Two can play at that game  8)

Several other researchers have confirmed some of Resnick’s (1969, 1970) findings. For instance, Marleau, Roy, Laporte, Webanck, and Poulin (1995) examined a sample of 17 women who killed or attempted to kill their children, concluding that most of the women had a history of mental illness and killed for ‘‘altruistic’’ reasons. Rohde, Raic, Varchmin- Schultheib, and Marneros (1998) investigated 33 cases of child murder and found that 9 cases involved ‘‘extended suicide,’’ that is, a type of filicide whereby the mother experiences suicidal ideation, which is carried out on her children. Of the 9 cases, 78% involved mental illness, with 44% involving some form of psychosis (Rohde et al., 1998). These findings suggest that filicide involves a common theme of mental illness, and in many cases psychosis, which is much different than simply ‘‘not wanting’’ the child, as is usually the case with mothers in the neonaticide group.
Clinical features of parricide in patients with schizophrenia

In terms of denial, the psychotic individual exhibits a ‘‘complete lack of concern, anxiety, or emotional reaction about an immediate, serious, pressing need, conflict, or danger in [his or her] life’’ (Kernberg, 1984, p. 17). An example of denial includes a psychotic individual, who just murdered someone, with a complete lack of remorse or emotional reaction to the gravity of his or her action. Finally, with regard to omnipotence and devaluation, the psychotic individual experiences an exaggerated, inflated, grandiose self, and an emotionally degrading view of others (Kernberg, 1984). For example, the psychotic individual may believe that he or she is the ‘‘messiah,’’ or has some sort of special mission from God, and is responsible for killing ‘‘evil’’ people.
Motives for maternal filicide: Results from a study
with female forensic patients



16 of the 20 cases of filicide offenders were found to have psychiatric symptoms prior to their crime (Farooque & Ernst, 2003; Meyer & Oberman, 2001). Marks (1996) showed in his study of 45 mothers who killed their newborns that 77% used non wounding violence, such as suffocating and drowning. In contrast, women who killed older children tended to use more violent methods, such as killing by shaking, throwing to the ground, hitting, srangling, stabbing, and shooting
Motives for maternal filicide: Results from a study
with female forensic patients

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Re: Why only Neville's back was burnt:
« Reply #96 on: April 28, 2016, 12:03:AM »
So you like to make comparisons to other crimes? Two can play at that game  8)

Several other researchers have confirmed some of Resnick’s (1969, 1970) findings. For instance, Marleau, Roy, Laporte, Webanck, and Poulin (1995) examined a sample of 17 women who killed or attempted to kill their children, concluding that most of the women had a history of mental illness and killed for ‘‘altruistic’’ reasons. Rohde, Raic, Varchmin- Schultheib, and Marneros (1998) investigated 33 cases of child murder and found that 9 cases involved ‘‘extended suicide,’’ that is, a type of filicide whereby the mother experiences suicidal ideation, which is carried out on her children. Of the 9 cases, 78% involved mental illness, with 44% involving some form of psychosis (Rohde et al., 1998). These findings suggest that filicide involves a common theme of mental illness, and in many cases psychosis, which is much different than simply ‘‘not wanting’’ the child, as is usually the case with mothers in the neonaticide group.
Clinical features of parricide in patients with schizophrenia

In terms of denial, the psychotic individual exhibits a ‘‘complete lack of concern, anxiety, or emotional reaction about an immediate, serious, pressing need, conflict, or danger in [his or her] life’’ (Kernberg, 1984, p. 17). An example of denial includes a psychotic individual, who just murdered someone, with a complete lack of remorse or emotional reaction to the gravity of his or her action. Finally, with regard to omnipotence and devaluation, the psychotic individual experiences an exaggerated, inflated, grandiose self, and an emotionally degrading view of others (Kernberg, 1984). For example, the psychotic individual may believe that he or she is the ‘‘messiah,’’ or has some sort of special mission from God, and is responsible for killing ‘‘evil’’ people.
Motives for maternal filicide: Results from a study
with female forensic patients



16 of the 20 cases of filicide offenders were found to have psychiatric symptoms prior to their crime (Farooque & Ernst, 2003; Meyer & Oberman, 2001). Marks (1996) showed in his study of 45 mothers who killed their newborns that 77% used non wounding violence, such as suffocating and drowning. In contrast, women who killed older children tended to use more violent methods, such as killing by shaking, throwing to the ground, hitting, srangling, stabbing, and shooting
Motives for maternal filicide: Results from a study
with female forensic patients

..and how many of these women had a brother determined to kill not just her children but their whole family as well?

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Re: Why only Neville's back was burnt:
« Reply #97 on: April 28, 2016, 12:09:AM »
And where is the updated research? Most of David's statistically quoted evidence is from the 80's and 90's and doesn't take into account those individuals whom have murdered and remained in 'denial.' There's also the confirmation bias of the 'expert' who collated the material in the first instance to take into consideration IMHO.
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