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Offline sami

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3105 on: June 30, 2016, 09:56:PM »
25 excellent points, adam

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3106 on: June 30, 2016, 10:06:PM »
theres no agenda,its all in your head david

Its not in my head.


did you manage to ask jb how he knew how much money was in nb's wallet,

That's another dubious claim involving those who found all the evidence against him

,the clip you posted from youtube clearly shows spent cases being ejected forward to the right in the same direction ,but you still deny it

When you hold the gun upsidedown they eject to the left!  ::)  we have been through this already  :)
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3107 on: June 30, 2016, 10:12:PM »
25 excellent points, adam

Thank you.

David asked what circumstantial evidence there was. I gave 25 pieces.

Not sure why he countered some of them by trying to implicate Sheila.  It doesn't then mean they are no longer valid as circumstantial evidence against Bambe.
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3108 on: June 30, 2016, 10:15:PM »
Its not in my head.


That's another dubious claim involving those who found all the evidence against him

When you hold the gun upsidedown they eject to the left!  ::)  we have been through this already  :)
so i take it you have no asked jb about it,even if she did turn the rifle upside down the case would not have landed there it would be past her head near the wall

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3109 on: June 30, 2016, 10:16:PM »
Thank you.

David asked what circumstantial evidence there was. I gave 25 pieces.

Not sure why he countered some of them by trying to implicate Sheila.  It doesn't then mean they are no longer valid as circumstantial evidence against Bambe.

Some of them were completely false or repeats. Id say you gave 8 or 9 give or take.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3110 on: June 30, 2016, 10:20:PM »
Some of them were completely false or repeats. Id say you gave 8 or 9 give or take.

They are all facts.

Are you not aware of the found hacksaw by the bathroom window ? It was Bamber's.

When do you consider the perfect execution time for Bamber was  then ?
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3111 on: June 30, 2016, 10:24:PM »
I have given circumstantial evidence.

You have not denied any of them. Just mentioned circumstantial evidence for Sheila. Which is common knowledge and the reason why Bamber attempted the frame.

So there is circumstantial evidence against Bamber.
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3112 on: June 30, 2016, 10:43:PM »
There is no meaningful circumstantial evidence, That is why you now refuse to list it or elaborate what it is what you come up with is too embarrassing and nothing worth considering. Pointing out things like he had a video of Fatal Vision (a popular film at the time)  ::) is not circumstantial evidence

There is a mass of Circ evidence against Bamber. But no matter what anyone said, you would simply do your usual childish denial's regardless. But I have done the list (although still adding to it) - have you started yours yet? Have you seen Fatal Vision? Not only is there a frantic phone call but on finding that his family are dead, MacDonald goes into little boy mode and asks 'why he can't talk to his family' - I recall someone else doing that!  ;D ;D

Once again you try to blacken my character with lies, what I post on here gets in the way of your agenda so you try to undermine my credibility so people wont read my posts. You say I cant even say Jeremy is innocent, well yes there is a reason for that its called honesty, I don't make bold claims without anything to back them up.

I thought it was Bambers character I was trying to blacken? (Although that would be difficult). If you misquote something I will point it out, if you don't like that then you're the one with the agender. If you misquote or suggest something must be a fact simply because you think so - then you should expect to get criticised but it's not just me who has pointed out your failings. Credibility? What credibility? Oh by the way - what is my agender?

Then why are you here almost everyday trying to shove the idea of guilt down everyone's necks?  ::)

Why are you here almost everyday trying to shove the opposite? While boasting about a revelation that was already known and discussed?


Since you failed to adequately answer my last two points is there even need for me to move onto number three?  8)  How about we see you produce some evidence that points to Jeremy for a change?
Don't be shy Caroline the list is "massive"  ;D

What two points? I've just answered your last two points, I've also done the list and am still adding to it - when are you going to even START showing how Sheila 'could' be guilty - without resorting to misquotes and twisting other people's words? By the way - you didn't comment on Michael Turner's comment and his decision to drop much of what he intended to bring to the 2002 appeal. Or couldn't you think of a good enough misquote? ;D ;D ;D

Here it is again - in case you missed it! http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,7638.msg367079.html#msg367079
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3113 on: June 30, 2016, 11:14:PM »
I have given circumstantial evidence.

You have not denied any of them. Just mentioned circumstantial evidence for Sheila. Which is common knowledge and the reason why Bamber attempted the frame.

So there is circumstantial evidence against Bamber.

I wonder why Jeremy didn't call 999? Or how he knew he had been on the phone to West for 11 minutes but couldn't remember the 'exact' time of his fathers call?

The 2002 appeal suggests that Jeremy called the police at around 03:26 (03:36 - 10 mins) - he argued the same at trial but now in order to 'fit in' a call from his father to police, he's now suggesting that the time on West's log is correct and he called the police at 03:36. He is quite specific on times when it suits but evasive when it doesn't! Which is odd really given that he had his watch on and timed the call to West - which was how he knew it took 11 minutes.  ;)
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3114 on: July 03, 2016, 06:42:PM »
I wonder why Jeremy didn't call 999? Or how he knew he had been on the phone to West for 11 minutes but couldn't remember the 'exact' time of his fathers call?

The 2002 appeal suggests that Jeremy called the police at around 03:26 (03:36 - 10 mins) - he argued the same at trial but now in order to 'fit in' a call from his father to police, he's now suggesting that the time on West's log is correct and he called the police at 03:36. He is quite specific on times when it suits but evasive when it doesn't! Which is odd really given that he had his watch on and timed the call to West - which was how he knew it took 11 minutes.  ;)
good point caroline.he also found it difficult to say who he phoned first jm or the police.fathers phoned him for help and he calls the local police unless he had the number in his mind 'which i doubt' he would have  had to look the number up.na dont buy it ;D
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3115 on: July 03, 2016, 07:11:PM »
There is a mass of Circ evidence against Bamber. But no matter what anyone said, you would simply do your usual childish denial's regardless. But I have done the list (although still adding to it) - have you started yours yet? Have you seen Fatal Vision? Not only is there a frantic phone call but on finding that his family are dead, MacDonald goes into little boy mode and asks 'why he can't talk to his family' - I recall someone else doing that!  ;D ;D

Your refusal to post any substantial circumstantial evidence speaks volumes  ;D

If you misquote something I will point it out, if you don't like that then you're the one with the agender. If you misquote or suggest something must be a fact simply because you think so -

Correction, if I quote something you will desperately try to distort it. If you try to deceive the forum I will point it out, So no more trying to portray Julie as a credible witness when you know she isn't.

then you should expect to get criticised but it's not just me who has pointed out your failings. Credibility? What credibility? Oh by the way - what is my agender?

Your not pointing out any "failings" your just trying very hard to make it seem that way.

You know what your Agenda is  ;D

Why are you here almost everyday trying to shove the opposite? While boasting about a revelation that was already known and discussed?

This does not answer the question I asked but nevermind 

What two points? I've just answered your last two points, I've also done the list and am still adding to it - when are you going to even START showing how Sheila 'could' be guilty - without resorting to misquotes and twisting other people's words? By the way - you didn't comment on Michael Turner's comment and his decision to drop much of what he intended to bring to the 2002 appeal. Or couldn't you think of a good enough misquote?

The two points you failed to answer.  I don't have to remind you  ;D
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3116 on: July 03, 2016, 07:36:PM »
here we go again.lets face when jm said jb was into growing cannabis she was right we have all seen the propagator in the office ;D

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3117 on: July 03, 2016, 11:39:PM »
Your refusal to post any substantial circumstantial evidence speaks volumes  ;D

Correction, if I quote something you will desperately try to distort it. If you try to deceive the forum I will point it out, So no more trying to portray Julie as a credible witness when you know she isn't.

Your not pointing out any "failings" your just trying very hard to make it seem that way.

You know what your Agenda is  ;D

This does not answer the question I asked but nevermind 

The two points you failed to answer.  I don't have to remind you  ;D

I distort things? And yet you're the master of the MISQUOTE! By the way, the reason why Julie noted down 'wetsuit' in her diary notes was because (as I told you!) she was ASKED ABOUT IT!

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4952.0;attach=34829

Your agender is that you want to gain something from this - now, please tell me what mine would be or is such an accusation just more wind and pxss from you?
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3118 on: July 03, 2016, 11:50:PM »
I distort things? And yet you're the master of the MISQUOTE! By the way, the reason why Julie noted down 'wetsuit' in her diary notes was because (as I told you!) she was ASKED ABOUT IT!

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4952.0;attach=34829

Your agender is that you want to gain something from this - now, please tell me what mine would be or is such an accusation just more wind and pxss from you?
The implication with the wetsuit was that it was worn during the murders and part of it left in situ at the murder scene to lighten the load for Jeremy's return journey on the bicycle.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #3119 on: July 04, 2016, 09:32:AM »
The implication with the wetsuit was that it was worn during the murders and part of it left in situ at the murder scene to lighten the load for Jeremy's return journey on the bicycle.

Yes, but David has argued that Julie Mugford got the idea for the wetsuit from RB, however,  as we can now see, she was asked about it by police - nothing sinister at all.
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