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Offline mike tesko

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2490 on: June 09, 2016, 10:21:PM »
It doesn't sound right that David Boutflour, and 'Ron' Cook, should both be 'tampering' with a silencers integrity before 'it' is going to be examined forensically at the lab'...

Surely, this sort of deceiptfullness cannot be tolerated...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2491 on: June 09, 2016, 10:28:PM »
You see, because I am a thinker, I can't for the life of me bring myself to accept that at the heart of this investigation into these five deaths or imagine that two small flakes of dried blood, existed separate to one another, and that one was scraped off the end of the silencer by David Boutflour using a razor blade, whilst the other was allegedly found by Fletcher inside one of the two silencers on the 11th September 1985? I am Sorry, but I simply do not believe or accept such utter garbage...

There wasn't two small flakes, there was only one...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2492 on: June 09, 2016, 10:34:PM »
You see, because I am a thinker, I can't for the life of me bring myself to accept that at the heart of this investigation into these five deaths or imagine that two small flakes of dried blood, existed separate to one another, and that one was scraped off the end of the silencer by David Boutflour using a razor blade, whilst the other was allegedly found by Fletcher inside one of the two silencers on the 11th September 1985? I am Sorry, but I simply do not believe or accept such utter garbage...

There wasn't two small flakes, there was only one...

There was only one flake, this was the flake David Boutflour had scraped from the end of the silencer using a razor blade. This must have been the same flake that was analysed by John Hayward, which produced the key blood group results (A, EAP BA, AK/1, and HP 2-1). Fletcher never found it in any of the silencers, he received the flake directly from 'Ron' Cook. Fletcher lied about finding the flake in either of the two silencers. He did so deceiptfully so as to dishonestly permit him to introduce his ' backspsatter' theory...
« Last Edit: June 09, 2016, 10:35:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2493 on: June 09, 2016, 10:37:PM »
Of course, it makes a big difference to the outcome of the trial, as to whether the blood group evidence was found inside, or removed from outside (by use of a razor blade) of the silencer...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2494 on: June 09, 2016, 10:40:PM »
Of course, it makes a big difference to the outcome of the trial, as to whether the blood group evidence was found inside, or removed from outside (by use of a razor blade) of the silencer...

If it was 'removed' from the end of the silencer with use of a razor blade by David Boutflour, it makes it all the more likely that the blood had got there by a process of contamination during transportation and mishandling...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2495 on: June 09, 2016, 10:56:PM »
The information I have received is that 'Fletcher' knew about the flake having been removed from one of the silencers by David Boutflour, and that in discussions about it with 'Ron' Cook, it was raised by Fletcher that Cook himself 'had' dismantled the silencer himself before the silencer itself had been rebuilt and sent to the lab' on the 30th August 1985, and that if those facts became public knowledge both Cook and himself would be for the high jump...
« Last Edit: June 09, 2016, 10:57:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2496 on: June 09, 2016, 11:02:PM »
The information I have received is that 'Fletcher' knew about the flake having been removed from one of the silencers by David Boutflour, and that in discussions about it with 'Ron' Cook, it was raised by Fletcher that Cook himself 'had' dismantled the silencer himself before the silencer itself had been rebuilt and sent to the lab' on the 30th August 1985, and that if those facts became public knowledge both Cook and himself would be for the high jump...

Cook had had words with David Boutflour, regarding the problems he had created by tampering with the blood on the end of the silencer, and to overcome these problems, the second silencer got introduced (DRB/1), but alas, it got sent to, and arrived at the lab' (20th September, 1985) much too late, because the flake had by that stage already been analysed (between 12th and 19th September, 1985). How therefore, could the flake be said to have been found inside that particular silencer? A silencer that did not get sent to the lab' until 9 days or so, after the flake had supposedly been found inside 'it'...
« Last Edit: June 09, 2016, 11:04:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2497 on: June 09, 2016, 11:06:PM »
This is what can happen when somebody is telling lies, or the evidence has been 'fabricated', or 'tampered with'...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2498 on: June 09, 2016, 11:18:PM »
This is what can happen when somebody is telling lies, or the evidence has been 'fabricated', or 'tampered with'...
i agree mike

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2499 on: June 10, 2016, 12:45:AM »
What I want to know is why David Boutflour failed to make mention in any of his trial versions of his witness statements, anything at all about him scraping a flake of blood off the end of the silencer? More importantly, how could he have done so, without the knowledge of the other relatives? They all must have known what David had done, and every one of them kept their gobs tightly shut regarding 'it'...

It must follow on from this, that all the relatives knew that blood which was attributal to Sheila had not been found 'inside' the silencer, but rather it had been found on the outside of 'it'...

But they all kept their gobs tightly clamped shut....

'Loose lips, sink ships', or so the saying goes..
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2500 on: June 10, 2016, 12:54:AM »
In his COLP witness statement, David Boutflour makes mention of the original investigating officers wanting to see his rifle, without him naming the officers concerned. Although he did say that the cops wanted to see his rifle to see whether or not it had got damage upon it. Again, when he told COLP what he had done by scraping the dried flake of blood from the silencer, he failed to identify the cops that he had informed regarding this. But we know that the relatives had close ties with a number of police officers, in addition to PC Robert Carr, for example, DS 'Stan' Jones, PI 'Bob' Miller, DC Barlow, and DCS 'Mick' Ainsley...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2501 on: June 10, 2016, 12:56:AM »
In his COLP witness statement, David Boutflour makes mention of the original investigating officers wanting to see his rifle, without him naming the officers concerned. Although he did say that the cops wanted to see his rifle to see whether or not it had got damage upon it. Again, when he told COLP what he had done by scraping the dried flake of blood from the silencer, he failed to identify the cops that he had informed regarding this. But we know that the relatives had close ties with a number of police officers, in addition to PC Robert Carr, for example, DS 'Stan' Jones, PI 'Bob' Miller, DC Barlow, and DCS 'Mick' Ainsley...

Make no mistake about it, this lot were all in on the deception...
« Last Edit: June 10, 2016, 08:11:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2502 on: June 10, 2016, 08:14:AM »
This begs the question, as to whether or not the cops that were told by David Boutflour that 'he had scraped a small flake of dried blood from the end of the silencer' with 'use of a razor blade', told the CPS about this?
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2503 on: June 10, 2016, 08:29:AM »
So, this little matter of David Boutflour tampering with the silencer long before 'it' eventually got sent to the lab'  (30th August 1985) to be examined by the ballistic expert (11th September 1985), also had him 'trying to unscrew the metal cap', to look inside it, but he claims he failed because the cap was screwed on too tightly, at least that is what he told COLP. If what David Boutflour claims he did to that silencer is true, it beggars belief that the lab' even accepted the silencer on either the 13th or the 30th August, and the 20th September, 1985, let alone examine it. Not only this, but there is one thing which no-one should overlook, and that is that because it is now on record that David Boutflour 'interfered' with the integrity of the silencer before it had been handed over to the cops, let alone being sent to the lab', and the fact that he told COLP that Essex cops knew he had done to the silencer what he had done, Why would David Boutflour be contacting the Essex cops on the 12th September 1985, to tell them that he had found the silencer to the gun, unless he had scraped the flake of blood from the silencer in his sisters possession that she had given to DC Oakey on the previous day? What I mean is, that David Boutflour can't have told Essex police that he had 'removed' a small flake of blood from the silencer before he had contacted them on the 12th September 1985, otherwise cops would have 'already known that he had found the silencer to the gun', beforehand (before, 12th September, 1985)?
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2504 on: June 10, 2016, 08:33:AM »
This makes me wonder...
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