Author Topic: What makes Bamber innocent?  (Read 351194 times)

0 Members and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.

Offline mike tesko

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 51079
Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2505 on: June 10, 2016, 08:37:AM »
This makes me wonder...

Perhaps, Ann Eaton handed over the silencer (DRB/1) and 'the flake of dried blood' that her brother David Boutflour had scraped from 'it', to DC Oakey, on the 11th September, 1985? Then on the following day (12th September 1985) David Boutflour himself phones the cops up to tell them that he had found the silencer to the gun?

Sounds good to me...
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

Offline mike tesko

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 51079
Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2506 on: June 10, 2016, 08:39:AM »
This would help to explain why Fletcher then claims 'he' had found the flake in the silencer on 'that' (11th September 1985) same date...

Yes, its looking good, it fits...
« Last Edit: June 10, 2016, 08:39:AM by mike tesko »
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

Offline mike tesko

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 51079
Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2507 on: June 10, 2016, 08:44:AM »
This would help to explain why Fletcher then claims 'he' had found the flake in the silencer on 'that' (11th September 1985) same date...

Yes, its looking good, it fits...

Between 12th and 19th September, 1985, the flake gets analysed...

In the meantime, the silencer from which Boutflour had scraped the flake, gets submitted to the lab' to be checked for blood (20th September, 1985)...

So, cops, and lab' had to make a false story about there only being 'one' silencer, knowing that if the truth came out, that David Boutflour had tampered with the silencer before it got sent to the lab' that the silencer, blood evidence allegedly obtained from out would be worthless...
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

Offline sami

  • Veteran Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4490
Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2508 on: June 10, 2016, 10:17:AM »
This would help to explain why Fletcher then claims 'he' had found the flake in the silencer on 'that' (11th September 1985) same date...

Yes, its looking good, it fits...
like a glove mike,i see what what you mean

Offline Caroline

  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 27076
Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2509 on: June 10, 2016, 11:53:AM »
Between 12th and 19th September, 1985, the flake gets analysed...

In the meantime, the silencer from which Boutflour had scraped the flake, gets submitted to the lab' to be checked for blood (20th September, 1985)...

So, cops, and lab' had to make a false story about there only being 'one' silencer, knowing that if the truth came out, that David Boutflour had tampered with the silencer before it got sent to the lab' that the silencer, blood evidence allegedly obtained from out would be worthless...

Where does he say he scraped the flake?
Few people have the imagination for reality

Offline mike tesko

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 51079
Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2510 on: June 10, 2016, 12:00:PM »
Where does he say he scraped the flake?
in the...

It is nice to see that it has been noticed that David Boutflour doesn't mention anything whatsoever about him scraping the flake of dried blood from the end of the silencer using a razor blade, in any of his Essex police witness statements, since it shows plainly how keen he must have been not for anyone to get wind of it, either until after the trial, or not at all...

He tells the COLP investigators about this, in 1992, about six years after Bambers  trial...
« Last Edit: June 10, 2016, 12:07:PM by mike tesko »
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

Offline mike tesko

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 51079
Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2511 on: June 10, 2016, 12:08:PM »
in the...

It is nice to see that it has been noticed that David Boutflour doesn't mention anything whatsoever about him scraping the flake of dried blood from the end of the silencer using a razor blade, in any of his Essex police witness statements, since it shows plainly how keen he must have been not for anyone to get wind of it, either until after the trial, or not at all...

He tells the COLP investigators about this, in 1992, about six years after Bambers  trial...

He told COLP that Essex police knew what he had done...
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

Offline mike tesko

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 51079
Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2512 on: June 10, 2016, 12:20:PM »
What a sorry lot these relatives and bent cops are, having to resort to being deceitful, to try to get somebody convicted of something...

The fact is, that the silencer evidence, with blood and paint associated with it, can no longer be considered reliable enough to say the 'it' had been used in the shootings at all.  Nothing stands up to scrutiny, there are too many false leads going nowhere, and far too many contradictions in who found what, who handed what where, and whether or not 'the' silencer was already at the lab', yet still in Ann Eaton's possession to enable her to hand it to the cops 12 days after the cops had already sent 'the same' silencer to the lab' (30th August 1985). Nothing could be any clearer, there were two silencers involved at the lab' which got merged into the same one,. However, the ' merging process' adopted by these conspirators falls foul of scrutiny, since the second silencer did not get sent by cops to the lab' until (20th September 1985) 9 days 'after' Fletcher had already found the key flake of blood inside 'it' on the 11th September, 1985...

'Dickheads'...
« Last Edit: June 10, 2016, 12:22:PM by mike tesko »
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

Offline mike tesko

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 51079
Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2513 on: June 10, 2016, 12:38:PM »
We have all 'seen' the documentation which shows that Ann Eaton handed a silencer to DC Oakey on the 11th September,1985. We have all seen the documentation which confirms that David Boutflour contacted police on the 12th September, 1985, to tell them that 'he' had found the silencer to the gun. We have all seen documentation that Fletcher claims that he stripped the silencer down on the 11th September, 1985, and that 'he' it was who discovered the flake of dried blood, says he, that it was trapped in between baffles 1 and 2...

We have all seen how Fletcher then handed the flake and the silencer to John Hayward the blood expert, on the following day (12th September, 1985), and how it took a further 7 days of analysis, so that by 19th September, 1985, a total of four separate blood groups had been identified ( A, EAP BA, AK/1, and HP 2-1) which were subsequently attributed has having originated from Sheila Caffell - but hang on a minute, before anyone starts to get carried away here with such a statement. First of all, by the time the matter came to trial at Chelmsford Crown court in October, 1986, cops were claiming that the flake of recovered blood had been found inside a silencer bearing the exhibit mark of DRB/1, but that exhibit reference did not get introduced until November 1987.  The silencer which Ann Eaton handed over to DC Oakey on the 11th September 1985, along with other exhibits taken from the same gun cupboard all bore 'DRB' exhibit references, and the silencer which was part of this batch was not sent to the lab' until the flake had already supposedly already been found inside it, which an impossibility...

They have lied...
« Last Edit: June 11, 2016, 11:42:AM by mike tesko »
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

Offline mike tesko

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 51079
Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2514 on: June 11, 2016, 11:49:AM »
Yes, we know that cops did not send the second silencer to the lab' until the 20th September, 1985, but the cop who transported it there currently remains, unidentified...

It was sent to the lab' on 'that' occasion, to 'be checked for blood and fibers'...

We currently do not have the name of the 'expert' who received it at the lab', or the name of the person or persons who examined 'it' on or after that occasion...
« Last Edit: June 11, 2016, 12:19:PM by mike tesko »
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

Offline mike tesko

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 51079
Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2515 on: June 11, 2016, 12:24:PM »
Yes, we know that cops did not send the second silencer to the lab' until the 20th September, 1985, but the cop who transported it there currently remains, unidentified...

It was sent to the lab' on 'that' occasion, to 'be checked for blood and fibers'...

We currently do not have the name of the 'expert' who received it at the lab', or the name of the person or persons who examined 'it' on or after that occasion...

They have deliberately not provided this information because to have done so, would destroy the 'myth' of there only being one silencer...
« Last Edit: June 11, 2016, 12:27:PM by mike tesko »
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

Offline mike tesko

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 51079
Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2516 on: June 11, 2016, 12:45:PM »
They sought to hide away, and conceal the fact that Ann Eaton handed the second silencer over to DC Oakey on the 11th September, along with the other exhibits she handed over to cops on that same day...
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

Offline mike tesko

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 51079
Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2517 on: June 11, 2016, 01:42:PM »
They sought to hide away, and conceal the fact that Ann Eaton handed the second silencer over to DC Oakey on the 11th September, along with the other exhibits she handed over to cops on that same day...

They played around with the exhibit references of items DRB/2, DRB/3 and DRB/4, to try to conceal for the fact that the second silencer (DRB/1) had been handed over at this stage, by altering the exhibit references of the other 'DRB' exhibits, into AE/2, AE/3 and AE/4. The issue became an even more confused and convoluted one, by these same items sometimes being referred to by the conflicting exhibit references of CAE/2, CAE/3, and CAE/4, or HGO/1, and HGO1(a)...
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

Offline mike tesko

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 51079
Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2518 on: June 11, 2016, 01:45:PM »
In addition, some items were given lab' item numbers, such as, the hand swabs taken from Sheila Caffell (17 and later on, 75), or the silencer (22 and 23, then back to 22, again)...
« Last Edit: June 11, 2016, 01:46:PM by mike tesko »
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

Offline mike tesko

  • Administrator
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 51079
Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2519 on: June 11, 2016, 01:53:PM »
In addition, some items were given lab' item numbers, such as, the hand swabs taken from Sheila Caffell (17 and later on, 75), or the silencer (22 and 23, then back to 22, again)...

Sometimes, the hand swabs, aforementioned, had an exhibit reference of DRH/33, at other times, DRH/44...

Sometimes the bible photographed alongside Sheila's body, had the exhibit reference of DRH/44, at other times, DRH/33...
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...