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Offline sami

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2475 on: June 09, 2016, 09:17:PM »
Maybe so, but at least in the suggested system, questions could have been asked of David Boutflour by Jeremy himself, which could have been put to David Boutflour on his behalf, toward the end of David Boutflours testimony, with a view to soliciting the truth from the defendants perspective...

Clearly, David Boutflours account that he had found 'the' silencer in the cupboard at the scene on the 10th August 1985, does 'not' hold water. I am sorry but if there had only been the one silencer, I can't for the life of me, see how Peter Eaton had handed over 'that' silencer to DS Jones, on the evening of the 12th August 1985, and that David Boutflour did not contact the police until a month later to 'tell them' that he had found the silencer to the gun (12th SeptemBer 1985). Sorry, I am 'not' buying into 'that' story...
was the above not done mike,jb should have got his team to ask,i fully agree

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2476 on: June 09, 2016, 09:17:PM »
The blood samples were kept in the 'Scenes of Crime Department', of which 'Ron' Cook was in charge...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2477 on: June 09, 2016, 09:20:PM »
was the above not done mike,jb should have got his team to ask,i fully agree

Defence did not know that Ann Eaton had handed over the second silencer to DC Oakey on the 11th September, 1985, at the time of the trial. This information did not come to light until 'after' the failed 2002 appeal hearing...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2478 on: June 09, 2016, 09:23:PM »
The blood samples were kept in the 'Scenes of Crime Department', of which 'Ron' Cook was in charge...

COLP mentioned the 'third' blood sample to SOCO during their 1991 / 1992 investigation, they inquired why it had been taken, and more importantly, 'what had happened to it'...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2479 on: June 09, 2016, 09:25:PM »
Defence did not know that Ann Eaton had handed over the second silencer to DC Oakey on the 11th September, 1985, at the time of the trial. This information did not come to light until 'after' the failed 2002 appeal hearing...
in that case the judge should have throwen the silencer evidence out,what a farce

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2480 on: June 09, 2016, 09:26:PM »
Now, I am not suggesting that 'Ron' Cook deliberately sanitised the baffles with blood from that 'third' blood sample that was taken from Sheila's corpse during autopsy performed on the 7th August, 1985, but it does seem to be a somewhat 'appealing' prospect...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2481 on: June 09, 2016, 09:30:PM »
However, more intriguing, was the fact that when 'David Boutfour' himself was spoken to by the COLP investigators, he told them that he had used a 'razor blade' to scrape off a small 'flake of dried blood' from the end of the silencer, and that Essex police were aware of what 'he' had 'done'...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2482 on: June 09, 2016, 09:30:PM »
Now, I am not suggesting that 'Ron' Cook deliberately sanitised the baffles with blood from that 'third' blood sample that was taken from Sheila's corpse during autopsy performed on the 7th August, 1985, but it does seem to be a somewhat 'appealing' prospect...
the point is mike ,he could have done ,which would make it unsafe evidence,i never knew that,but than theres a lot to this case that doent make sense

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2483 on: June 09, 2016, 09:32:PM »
However, more intriguing, was the fact that when 'David Boutfour' himself was spoken to by the COLP investigators, he told them that he had used a 'razor blade' to scrape off a small 'flake of dried blood' from the end of the silencer, and that Essex police were aware of what 'he' had 'done'...

Rather intriguingly, no mention of what David Boutflour had done with 'that' flake of dried blood, nor what Essex police did in relation to the same, upon being told about it...

Did Essex police, ask David Boutflour where the flake of blood was, or what he had done with it?
« Last Edit: June 09, 2016, 09:33:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2484 on: June 09, 2016, 09:34:PM »
Cops haven't released 'that' information' officially, yet...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2485 on: June 09, 2016, 09:36:PM »
Cops haven't released 'that' information' officially, yet...

But I have received information from a reliable source, that the flake which David Boutflour scraped from the end of the silencers end cap, was the same flake of dried blood analysed by the blood expert, John Hayward...
« Last Edit: June 09, 2016, 09:37:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2486 on: June 09, 2016, 09:39:PM »
But I have received information from a reliable source, that the flake which David Boutflour scraped from the end of the silencers end cap, was the same flake of dried blood analysed by the blood expert, John Hayward...

In other words, Fletcher did 'not' find the flake inside the silencer that Cook had stripped down, rebuilt, and submitted to the lab' on the 30th August 1985, the flake was sent to the lab' after 'it' had been 'recovered' from David Boutflour...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2487 on: June 09, 2016, 09:41:PM »
The key issue now being, that the blood (A, EAP BA, AK1, and HP2-1) from examination of the flake, was by default found on the 'outside of the silencer', not the 'inside', as claimed...
« Last Edit: June 09, 2016, 09:42:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2488 on: June 09, 2016, 10:10:PM »
The key issue now being, that the blood (A, EAP BA, AK1, and HP2-1) from examination of the flake, was by default found on the 'outside of the silencer', not the 'inside', as claimed...
A number of questions arise, as a result of what 'David Boutflour' told the 'COLP' investigators about this 'flake of dried blood' that he had 'scraped from the end of the silencer'...

For example, (1) at what stage did he scrape the flake off the silencer? (2) was it in August or September 1985? (3) if he scraped it off in August 1985, was it before Peter Eaton handed over the first parker hale silencer to DS Jones on the 12th August? (4) following on from this, did the lab' get informed that David Boutflour had scraped a flake of dried blood off the end of the silencer? If so, or if not, why would David Boutflour be 'tampering' with the integrity of the silencer, before 'it' was handed over to police, who in turn handed 'it' over to the lab'? (5) had David Boutflour 'scraped' the flake of dried blood from the end of the silencer, before 'Ron' Cook had dismantled the same, and separated the first seven baffle plates?, and his rebuilding of the same, and subsequent submission of it to the lab' on the 30th August, 1985, (6) if not, where is 'that' flake now, what happened to it, why was this information kept from the defence during the trial?
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2489 on: June 09, 2016, 10:14:PM »
In a separate issue, David Boutflour admitted to trying to unscrew the silencer so that he could look inside at the same baffles that 'Ron' Cook, eventually separated...
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