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Offline petey

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2145 on: June 02, 2016, 01:20:PM »




I'm not asking you to.
So, to summarise:
You don't believe in forgiveness.
You believe  in the death penalty whereby jb would have been executed. (Whatever you erroneously believe he is a convicted killer)
You lack empathy (in my opinion)
You choose  to completely disregard all evidence or the opinions of any other people, or any experts  as far far more important to you, you have known in your gut from day 1 that he is innocent.
You are not influenced at all by any other person.

Correct me if that is not a fair appraisal of your thoughts?

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2146 on: June 02, 2016, 01:25:PM »




I'm not asking you to.


Can't you see the hypocrisy? You use Ruth Ellis as an example of wrong doing, but you support the very punishment which killed her!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2147 on: June 02, 2016, 01:32:PM »
So, to summarise:
You don't believe in forgiveness.
You believe  in the death penalty whereby jb would have been executed. (Whatever you erroneously believe he is a convicted killer)
You lack empathy (in my opinion)
You choose  to completely disregard all evidence or the opinions of any other people, or any experts  as far far more important to you, you have known in your gut from day 1 that he is innocent.
You are not influenced at all by any other person.

Correct me if that is not a fair appraisal of your thoughts?
I have to correct you on one point petey and that is your belief that lookout has no empathy, in my experience that is absolutely not true. 

Obviously you don't agree with lookout's take on the situation and that is fair enough but that is no excuse for you to attack her so personally.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2148 on: June 02, 2016, 01:54:PM »
I have to correct you on one point petey and that is your belief that lookout has no empathy, in my experience that is absolutely not true. 

Obviously you don't agree with lookout's take on the situation and that is fair enough but that is no excuse for you to attack her so personally.

There is a massive difference between having no empathy and lacking empathy, so I strongly refute your correction.

You are well aware that Lookout lacked empathy with some of her Hillsborough posts so I'm surprised you have pulled me up on this!

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2149 on: June 02, 2016, 02:03:PM »
I have to correct you on one point petey and that is your belief that lookout has no empathy, in my experience that is absolutely not true. 

Obviously you don't agree with lookout's take on the situation and that is fair enough but that is no excuse for you to attack her so personally.

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I know lookout very well and IMO you could not find a nicer kinder person she has different takes on things than me but I know she is a person with a big heart.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2150 on: June 02, 2016, 02:27:PM »
According to some of the new stuff I  am now reading, which involved the 'editing' en mass by Essex police secretaries, acting on the advice of the DPP, it appears that the DPP was requesting that all the 'tampered with' witness statements needed to be back in their possession very quickly, for one reason or another, hence why many 'altered' statements had to be returned to the DPP unsigned, and in many cases, undated...

What a set of Criminals they all were, 'tampering' with peoples witness statements, and presenting the version which best suited their own case, at the expense of fooling the defence, and everyone else that there could not have existed any other versions of the same statement. Evil, vile, public servants deceiving everybody into believing something which was not true. None of those involved in these immoral practices, have gone public since they carried out these deceptions, despite an innocent mans liberty hanging in the balance. But hey, I will soon redress the balance by naming all of them here on our forum. I shall name them in the 'interests of justice', and add that it is in 'the public interest' that the truth is no longer hidden away. Jeremy's human rights have been taken away from him, by the mere fact that a small few  have conducted a 'tampering exercise ' on such a grand scale - what happened to 'Jeremy's right to a fair trial'?
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2151 on: June 02, 2016, 03:27:PM »

Can't you see the hypocrisy? You use Ruth Ellis as an example of wrong doing, but you support the very punishment which killed her!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





No,not hypocrisy.Yes I believe in capital punishment----------when the " Powers that Be " GET IT RIGHT !!
In which case,how many times have THEY got it wrong !!??

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2152 on: June 02, 2016, 03:35:PM »




No,not hypocrisy.Yes I believe in capital punishment----------when the " Powers that Be " GET IT RIGHT !!
In which case,how many times have THEY got it wrong !!??


And you can sit there blaming them for their mistake, without taking any responsibility, yet you'd applaud them when you agreed with their decision.

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2153 on: June 02, 2016, 04:11:PM »
 Thankyou Maggie and Susan. I've only just got back onto the forum to skim over posts. I won't be replying to petey's post as I'm totally ignoring him.  That way it saves further unpleasantness from occurring.xx

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2154 on: June 02, 2016, 04:39:PM »
Right, here is the 'Lloyd' Report, about 'FIREARM CONTACT TRACES WITH REFERENCE TO SHEILA CAFFELL', dated, July 2, 2002...

Apology for out of 'sync' order of pages..
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2155 on: June 02, 2016, 05:03:PM »
Sorry for Quality of upload, but as one can see, 'Lloyd' does not think that the prosecutions expert testimony could establish that which it claimed during the trial, now there's a turn up for the books...
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2156 on: June 02, 2016, 05:06:PM »
Sorry for Quality of upload, but as one can see, 'Lloyd' does not think that the prosecutions expert testimony could establish that which it claimed during the trial, now there's a turn up for the books...

Oh, dear...

I feel an 'appeal' is imminent, based on these findings which were never relied upon at the 2002 appeal hearing because it was 'overshadowed' by the DNA evidence issues which took up most of the appellate courts time...
« Last Edit: June 02, 2016, 05:21:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2157 on: June 02, 2016, 05:44:PM »
It certainly does make a mockery of the supposed " findings ".What a swizz !

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2158 on: June 02, 2016, 07:09:PM »
Yes I did - Maggie isn't online and they NEEDED removing so I cleaned up for her. If you have a problem with that - you know where the door is!
here here ;)

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Re: What makes Bamber innocent?
« Reply #2159 on: June 02, 2016, 07:14:PM »
It certainly does make a mockery of the supposed " findings ".What a swizz !

The qualifications, and esteem of Dr Lloyd, are set out at points, (1) to (8), inclusive. I don't think anyone can possibly argue with his knowledge and expertise in this particular field of 'science'. (1) a Dr of philosophy (phd), a Dr of Science (DSc), a chartered chemist (CChem), and a fellow of the Royal Society of Chemistry (FRSC)...

(2), at the time of producing his report (2002) he had more than 30 years experience in forensic science...

(3), had been instructed as an 'expert witness' in many cases previously, mostly in the United Kingdom, but also in Ireland, Germany, and the united States, as well as working in a similar capacity on government appointed judicial inquiries...

(4), his experience in particular in the examination and evaluation of chemical and physical forensic science evidence, including evidence due to firearms traces...

(5), he was at the time of producing this report, the author of over fifty scientific publications on his case work and research in the various areas of forensic science in which he worked...

(6), he was consulted as a reviewer and referee on forensic science topics by learned societies and publishers internationally...

(7), he was on the register of the Law Society's checked expert witnesses...

(8), was awarded an O. B. E., conferred in recognition of his work in forensic science...
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